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[edit] Miscellanious

Hi~, how do I add an item into the "technical details" box? I tried so many times but could not, just no typed-in result was displayed. --C jenchi 05:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

"Toshiba has supplied the world's two fastest doubledecker elevators which run at a top speed of 1,010 meters per minute (63 km/h or 37.5 mph) and are able to take visitors from the main floor to the observatory on the 1st floor in under 39 seconds." - Are you sure it's the 1st floor? It seems a bit strange. --the MOLIU gecko 04:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

An event mentioned in this article is an October 17 selected anniversary.

Should this page include a link to or discussion about the CN Tower in Toronto, Canada? It is after all the world's tallest freestanding structure, but doesn't hold any of the tallest building qualifications because most of it's height is unusable and it was designed as a TV tower, not an office building...

I personally think that it should be included here, but I am Canadian so i may be biased in this which is why I am posting this here instead. ~lommer

The CN Tower reference should stand. I always assumed the Sears Tower was the tallest building, period. Then a friend of mine mentioned the CN Tower. Depending on what criteria you use, Sears Tower, CN Tower and Taipei 101 are all the tallest in some aspect.

~dwp49423

Moved self-attribution by Anon 67.161.54.54 here:

By M. Lin <mwlin2002@yahoo.com>

Wikipedia articles aren't written by one, they are written by many. --Menchi 21:00 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I disagree with the last edit to revoke the title of highest occupied floor. Occupied in this context doesn't mean that the space has been let - many skyscrapers are only partly let - but we don't discount floors because they aren't physical occupied, or not count the top floor beacuse it's not let. For occupied I think we can read "occupiable" (if such a word exists). Ed g2s 13:12, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)

No one occupies the building yet - on any floor. Give it another year and it will undeniably by the highest. Rmhermen 13:39, Nov 1, 2003 (UTC)

If you go to Taipei 101's homepage, you will see the following: " CTBUH calls Taipei's world's tallest claim 'premature', BBC News (10/22) "The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat...says that a candidate [world's tallest] building first has to be occupied and in use. So Taiwan will have to wait until next year when tenants move into Taipei 101 before it can claim the crown."" -- Someone else 17:36, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Came back following recent edit to check what's going on, and noticed my photo of the building under construction has gone. I think it was both clearer than the current photo and will be of value in years to come - it's often hard to find pictures of things as they were being built. Anyway, it's not my call, so I'll leave it to someone else to re-add if they feel like it. --218.57.107.249 07:30, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Err, somehow I got logged out. That was my comment. --prat 07:59, 2004 Apr 11 (UTC)

You might consider uploading your file here: commons:Skyscraper. Since photos are always being added and removed and since wikipedia is not a media repository, there is never a guarantee your photo will still be here tomorrow. However, wikimedia commons will keep almost any photo and it will be available for all wikimedia projects. --Quasipalm 02:03, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Someone edited the page saying "Da Lou" doesn't mean grand building, but rather only building. My wife, born and raised in Taiwan, says that "Da Lou" means "big building," not just "building." Personally I don't have a lot of interest in the debate, and the editor also removed the "boobies" reference, so obviously is a well-meaning editor, but just FYI, there is some debate about the translation of "Da Lou" into English. PhiloVivero 07:20, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Philo congrats for the baby. Re: "Da Lou", dà大 is "big" and lóu楼 is a floor of a building, and both together in the strictest sense mean "multi-story building", i.e. any building with more than one floor. In Taiwan you'll find hundreds of buildings with "Dàlóu" in their name (the Mainland equivalent is Dàshà大厦) of all shapes and sizes, having only in common at least 10 floors or so. For all of these the standard translation is simply "building" (or occasionaly "tower"), because "big" or a synonym would just take up space without really adding useful information. So while it is true that the meaning implies a certain size, the standard translation uses the unadorned name. Lawrence Lavigne 17:12, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] fastest elavators in the world

adding the fact that Taipei 101 has the fastest elevators in the world - Sasquatch 04:12, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] damper

just sharing that Popular Science recently listed Taipei 101 as one of 2004's greatest achievements. I also noted that PopSci says that the damper is 730-tons (though it may be metric-imperial confusion in which case it should be stated as 800 {metric) tonnes) and that it hangs from the 92nd floor. Any conformation on the facts?

Yes, the damper's weight is 660 metric tonnes. It has a diameter of 5.5 meter and it consists of 41 layers of 12.5 cm thick steel plates. Also, it is suspended by eight 42 meter long steel cables of 9 cm in diameter. Happy now? :)

[edit] Category:Buildings of China.

Taipei city belongs to China, It is not a individual nation. and the place mark in windwind is wrong, the right place is in Latitude 25.03480, Longtitude 121.56487. I live nearby the 101 building.

I'd like to chime in here on the subject, is it appropriate to list Taipei 101 under Category:Buildings of China? China seems to imply the People's Republic of China which has no jurisdiction here. Most of the buildings listed under the category are on Mainland China. --Loren 22:19, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Taiwan is not part of China!--Jerrypp772000 22:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Taipei City belongs to the ROC, which =/= China. Taipei City isn't an individual nation, well duh, it's a city.--Jerrypp772000 21:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deepest money pit

In addition to being the world's tallest occupied building, this tower is also one of the deepest money pits in Taipei. Many floors are unoccupied, some floors are rented by the government as a form of subsidy. Yesterday, a high-end gym inside this building went bankrupt. What is the world's tallest profitable occupied building? -- Toytoy 06:17, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Good question -- I kinda wondered why Taipei is the only huge building in pictures. To me this seemed strange because here in America, if demand is high enough for a skyscraper, you'll see several, like in NYC or Chicago. However, this could just be due to american buildings being built by the private sector. Anyway, to your question, I know the CN Tower, now owned by the government of Canada, brings in a lot of money for sight-seeing. However, that's not a building. Most privately built skyscrapers in the US are profitable, including the Empire State Building and the Sears Tower. However, publicly built buildings in America, like the World Trade Center have had their share of problems too -- I know that the WTC was empty except government workers until the economy picked up in the 1980s. --Quasipalm 19:51, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I was once told that the maximum height of buildings in Taipei was restricted back during the martial law days, dunno if it's true but that might explain why the construction of buildings taller then 20 stories didn't really start in Taiwan till the early 90's, though most of these were apartment high rises and condos. Another possible reason might soil stability concerns. I recall that there was a great deal of concern about the Taipei Basin sinking during the construction of the subway system, also in the early 90's. -Loren 21:19, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Being scarcely occupied is not uncommon for such a building of that size. When the Empire State Building in NY open it was jokingly refered to as the Empty State Building for awhile before business picked up ``ryanpm

[edit] ive added a technical data table

but i dont have the height to tip does anyone know it? it should be a bigger measurement than the others

[edit] Lat/Long coordinates

I got the Taipei 101's Lat/Long coordinates through Google Earth.

Lat: 25° 2'0.94"N

Long: 121°33'53.90"E

[edit] contradict template

I added the contradict template. There are two very different numbers that count floor area of T101. One in the infobox (that I added) was from here: [1]. This site is generally good about not putting in false information and making sure things are sourced or calculated fairly. I wonder where the area in the article is from? It states: "Buildable area is 450,000 m² with: 214,000 m² of office space, 77,500 m² of retail space, 73,000 m² of parking space" 450,000 seems inflated to me -- that would make it more than the Sears Tower which is quite a bit "girthier"/thicker than T101. Also, 214+77.5+73 only equals 364,000 m². Where is the last 86,000? Building services? Also, I wonder if it's normal to count parking space in the floor-area figure? --Quasipalm 17:07, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

does this have anything to do with the Taipei 101 Mall that occupies floors G-5 and is significantly wider than the tower? --Ji ang 23:13, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a good point, it might! I wonder where there might be some documenation of this... If I have time this weekend I'll google around for the numbers to figure out exactly what they mean. --Quasipalm 01:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

from TAIPEI 101's two USING LICENCEs (local govermant issue these licences) TAIPEI 101's usable floor area: (188,413.440 + 185,806.510) m² every floor's usable floor area, see here(my website): http://home.kimo.com.tw/cis_taipei101/Floors_single.htm --User:cis 08:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

What's the address?

45, Shifu Rd.(市府路45號) for podium(MALL); and 7, Section 5 Xinyi Rd.(信義路五段七號) for tower. For detail: http://home.kimo.com.tw/cis_taipei101/A/ (see 16th paragraph) --User:cis 08:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Taipei Financial Center"

Taipei Financial Center, Taipei Financial Building, 臺北國際金融大樓, 臺北國際金融中心...etc. All above are not it's official names, but original names.

Taipei 101 was official named "TAIPEI 101"(台北101) in July 2002, old names such as "Taipei Financial Center" are no longer used. --cis(from:Taipei) 08:01, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Previous Tallest Building

I've changed the info in the specs table that used to show that the previous highest building was the Sears Tower, using a non commonly used parameter. What's the need to do this? The CTBUH press release of 2004, "World’s Tallest Confirmed for Taiwan", makes no doubt on what the previous tallest bulding was, based on the official and also the most widely used parameter, from ground up to the highest architectural structure. "The CTBUH official criteria states that 'The height of a building is measured from the sidewalk level of the main entrance to the architectural top of the building, including penthouse and tower. Towers include spires and pinnacles. Television and radio antennas, masts, and flag poles are not included.' "

So using a different parameter, just to avoid the mention of the Petronas Towers, is obviously misleading. Quasipalm, please answer to this before reverting.

--Asm 8:20, January 13th 2006 (GMT-5)

I'll revert, but here's why. See World's tallest structures#Tallest buildings. It seems you're unaware that CTBUH has several "tallest" categories, not just one -- There are a number of categories here and to present the information clearly, we need to choose one that makes the most sense. "Height to the top of the roof" as defined by CTBUH makes the most sense as the category to use if you're going to choose one. Why? Because the "architectural top" has a number of caveats, for example, it doesn't include radio antennas but it does include spires and pinnacles, it does include decorative and completely unusable structures as well. Look at this picture and I think you'll understand the issue better. The tallest point you can climb to on the Sears tower is taller than all other skyscrapers. The height of the roof is taller than all but Taipai 101 -- and if you looked at the two (er three) towers side by side, the average person would say that the P.Towers are considerably smaller than the Sears Tower. This has been discussed on many articles, see: Sears_Tower#Which_is_tallest.3F and World's tallest structures, and lastly, the infobox itself makes it clear which CTBUH rating it is using. --Quasipalm 16:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Asm - let's reinsert the Petronas Towers into the infobox timeline. Whatever the "average person" thinks, experts on building height measurement all prefer the "architectural top" rule to the "roof rule" to determine the official tallest. Why? Because when you deal with the fine points of height measurement often enough, you start to realize that the roof rule has just as many caveats as the architectural top rule. To use an example, suppose a building has a flat roof but a high parapet all the way around it: a diagram like the one you showed would support including the parapet, but the roof rule would deny the building its extra height. Another example: a building has a pyramid on its roof. The roof rule counts the pyramid and so does the architectural top rule, so we're fine. But now we make the pyramid narrower - at what point does it become a spire? You can say, "when the vertical addition ceases to be a hollow enclosure", but do you snip the roof height exactly at the ceiling of the highest room or do you allow some thickness to the top? And how much? To be specific, where would you put the roof height of the Chrysler Building? I hope people will be misled less often by these diagrams in the future, along with the leading questions that are always put with them. When you ask an "average person" which building looks larger, of course Sears comes ahead of Petronas. But when you ask which reaches higher into the sky, and you instruct the person to disregard "furniture" like antennas, then it's a much more mathematical question with a clear answer. Thank you for listening to my long reply; I will wait a few days for an answer before changing anything. Montalto 09:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding a new Topic = Design and Aesthetics

May I have approved permission to add a new section "Design and Aesthetics" under article: Taipei 101? I have read numourous resources else where about its Feng Shui and design, and would like to make a contribution.

This new article will also explain more about the damper system, its earlier design plans, its philosophy, the "Ru-Yi" Symbols on every 8 segments, why the entire tower is bamboo green and Etc. I will add as much as I can.

So before I add the article, I would like to send my this proposal and would like to know if it'll be approved by the higher authorties, or the administrators of the Taipei 101 article, before I can start. I will be keen and I will do my best to fine-tune this new article.

I hope you would accept my proposal.

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Thank you.

Stefan Tan Age 17 Singapore

Hello Stefan. Anyone can edit wikipedia. Be bold and add meaningful and useful content when ever and where ever you can. You do not need approval or permissions from any authority or administrator. Usually major articles are on a lot of people's watchlist so changes and updates are reviewed by fellow wikipedians. Go ahead, edit, and enjoy :) sikander 07:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

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Well thanks for your feedback. Yes, now I know what is wikipedia, if not, then it's defeating the purpose - "Anyone can edit" But of course, one should edit with sense and not vandalism I suppose.

I'll write a draft in my notepad and I will add it once completed, just incase, I by chance made any curcial mistakes, and I got "blamed".

Correct me along the way, incase my English is not up to wikipedia standards.

Thanks! You're very kind!

Stefan

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[edit] Adding a new Topic = Building height

Shouldn't the 448 m rooftop height be considered the building's real height, with the antenna noted parenthetically ?

[edit] Elevator speed

Changed the speed from 1010 meters/min to 16.83 m/s. This is more standard and also used in elevator speed in this article Burj_Dubai

[edit] images

Please add images to the commons. This article has too many photos. Cacophony 19:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exact height of Taipei 101

The official height if the Taipei 101 is 508m, not 509m, it says so on most websites. I have visited the Taipei 101 4 times, and the phamplets there says it is 508m. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.6.54 (talk • contribs) .

That is incorrect and the building pamphlets are wrong. I have a copy of the blueprints. The reason it was originally listed as 508 meters is that it was measured from the top of the platform on which the entire block is built. It is just a short platform about a meter high, but it MUST count in the building's height according to the international standards for height measurement because it is entirely above sidewalk level. In other words, it is part of the man-made above-ground structure (not a hill or berm). The exact height is 509.2 meters (1670 feet and 7 inches), and this is recognized by the CTBUH and Emporis, the only organizations which present an international standard for building height measurement. In keeping with Wikipedia's Neutral point-of-view and No original research policies, it is important to use standard official sources for data. What the building owners say means nothing because they are applying a measurement process that is not used on other buildings: therefore the measurement is not comparable to that of other skyscrapers which are measured according to defined standards. See the Talk page of World's tallest structures for more details on the exact heights of Taipei 101 and the Sears Tower. Montalto 06:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, well i think you are right

[edit] Pinyin

A different pronunciation is commonly used for the character "一" in Mainland China (also used in Taiwan, though rarely) when referring to a specific number such as a telephone number, "yāo". Is it possible that Taipei 101 is sometimes pronounced "Táiběi Yāolíngyāo" instead? Aran|heru|nar 12:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad formatting in opening paragraph

The formatting of the first paragraph makes it very difficult to read. Does it really need to have nearly every other word as a link? Add to the the boldface, the italics, sections in brackets and chinese and so on it is almost painful to look at. Otherwise it's good work, maybe the editors here can look at it from a reader's point of view on this issue? Thanks.

[edit] Function

What is the building's function? Njál 17:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Office, shopping centre. Many uses. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 21:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cost of the building?

In the info box it states the building cost $1,600,000,000.

In the Construction section it states that: "the $1.7-billion building’s versatile needs"

Can someone reconcile this? ``ryanpm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.119.232.106 (talk) 19:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Removed Ticket Info

I removed the bulk of the information in the observation decks section since it offered information on how to visit the Tower. This information was unsourced, doubtless available elsewhere on the internet, and is not standard in other articles on buildings/tourist attractions (cf. Eiffel Tower). Nicolasdz 20:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Cosmos Tower

I reverted a rather confused and poorly formatted addition made from an anonymous IP today and apparently describing a proposed Cosmos Tower project in Istanbul, Turkey. The relevance to this article was not clear, and it was possibly vandalism or ill-judged content. If there is some relevance of that project to this article, please discuss it here to explain why. Mooncow 19:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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