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[edit] Superboy-Prime a psychopath?
See the discussion at his talk page. --DrBat 22:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Note on listing comics categories for deletion
In the future, when listing a comics-related category, template, or article for deletion, please list it at WP:CMC/NB. This allows the community to come to a better concensus and feel like part of the process, and we have examples for you to just cut and paste and add the appropriate information to. I'd really appreciate it, and I am sure I'm not the only one. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hyperion page
In my opinion, the change that I have made to the powers and abilities box are not un-necessary, they are perfectly valid. I believe that there needs to be shown a slight difference between the listing of Superman's powers and those of Hyperions. Including the "flash vision" and "regeneration " abilities is correct. Please do not change my edits simply because you disagree with them. We all should be able to discuss these items and then arrive at an agreement. Thank you. --CrystalB4 11:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hyperion's abilities
You need to check further down on the Hyperion page where it lists his powers and abilities. It specifically mentions his "flash" or "atomic" vision and his regeneration abilities seperately. These abilities are and need to be different from Supermans since we don't want Hyperion to appear as if he's a carbon copy of Superman. I also will continue to revert your edits on these two points.--CrystalB4 04:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Hyperion's abilities
I am still disagreeing with you on this point. It is important to highlight the difference between Hyperion's abilities and Superman's. Hyperion has "flash" or "Atomic" vision, Superman has "Heat" vision. Hyperion has regenerative abilities that are mentioned in his powers and abilities section, Superman does not (I didn't see regeneration abilities specifically listed anywhere in Superman's powers and abilities section). It is not redundant to list these two abilities in the superhero box, it is simply stating that he possesses these two powers, along with the others.--CrystalB4 02:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hyperion's abilities
Once again, look down in the powers and abilities section on Hyperion's page. It clearly emphasizes that his "flash" vision is radioactive in nature, Superman's "heat" vision is not. Also, Superman is mentioned as having "accelerated" healing on that Healing Factor page, not a "regenerative" healing factor. I doubt that Superman's accelerated healing is the same as say, Wolverine's healing factor, or Hyperions.--CrystalB4 05:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hyperion's abilities
You are incorrect on several points. First, Hyperion's regenerative abilities are "similar" to the eternals of Earth-616, not from any "heritage" that you speak of. Once again, check the Hyperion page itself when you are quoting from it. If it listed in the powers and abilities section, that is what I am going on. If it is listed incorrectly there, then it should be removed or revised. Second, you mention that Superman regenerated from a skeleton in some issue of DKR after he was hit with a nuclear explosion. I do not think that this instance should be considered stricly canon since in all other DC comics titles that Superman has or has appeared in, he can and has survived nuclear explosions. Also, as I have stated before, if you look on the Superman page itself there is no mention of a specific "healing factor" as there is on the Hyperion page. My contention remains the same that we need to highlight a few of the differences in their abilities in this section so as not to present Hyperion as a carbon copy of Superman. Nuff said.--CrystalB4 10:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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Wolverine: Origins isn't a comic book that takes place outside of Marvel continuity. It's canon. Omega Red appears and the issue states that Omega Red is looking for the Carbonadium Synthesizer. The events of the Dark Knight Returns isn't part of DC continuity, it's an alternate universe/reality. That's the difference. Odin's Beard 01:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- The story starts out with Wolverine sitting in his underwear in a freezer on board a ship. The monologue is Wolverine talking about how the cut he recieved from the Marumasa Blade during his fight with Captain America isn't healing normally, normally for him. A flashback sequence appears involving Wolverine back during his Team X days. He's in a prison cell awaiting his next orders. A voice booms over an intercom inside the cell and orders him to ingest a small capsule sitting on a plate. Wolverine does so and immediately doubles over in pain, thinking he's been poisoned. A group of guards enter the cell, armed with machine guns, and opens fire. A doctor proclaims that Wolverine is dead and that the study of how Carbonadium effects Wolverine's mutant healing powers. After the flashback ends, Wolverine makes his way from the ship and during another monologue, states that Carbonadium is the key to stopping his son without having to hill him. He also states the Carbonadium has to be synthesized, it doesn't occur naturally. Wolverine winds up catching a ride to Queens, New York after threatening a trucker. Three days later, Wolverine winds up in Queens and goes into some type of shelter/hospital that's filled with depowered mutants, including the one that Wolverine is searching for. Christopher Nord, AKA Maverick. Maverick, in past issues of comic books, is the only one who knows where the Carbonadium Synthesizer is. Just as Wolverine is about to go over to him, he smells Jubilee's scent. He smells another scent as well and quickly tackles her to the ground before the wall behind them explodes revealing Omega Red and at least 4 mercenaries with high tech gear and weaponry. Omega Red addresses Maverick: "Maverick. You will now give me what is mine, yes?"
Originally, I didn't know about any instance where it was stated that Omega Red no longer needed to drain the lifeforce of others, I never changed it because I didn't know for certain if it was true or not. I might've missed an issue. I'll have to do a bit more research to find the actual issues, but I do remember reading that Maverick is the only one who knows where the synthesizer is. I remember one issue...I think it was X-Factor #127, in which Sabretooth and Omega Red fight inside a church. During their fight, Omega Red tells Sabretooth that a bargain had been made with a woman named Ivanova, whos mother Sabretooth killed decades earlier. If Sabretooth was brought to her, she would give Maverick to Omega Red in order to learn the location of the Carbonadium Synthesizer. Odin's Beard 01:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hyperion's Eternal Heritage
Actually, I think that you need to check the page more carefully. His Eternal heritage is mentioned in only one of the six versions of Hyperion (Hyperion I). This does not make it so for all versions nor is it strictly canon. My position remains unchanged on this matter.--CrystalB4 13:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hyperion's Eternal Heritage
T-1000, you need to thoroughly read the Hyperion page. The only version of Hyperion that mentions anything about his Eternal heritage is Hyperion I. Nor is there any mention of this on the Hyperion page at www.marvel.com. As for the changes to your edits on the Superman page, I have already explained. The regenerative abilities that you attribute to Superman in that DKR issue is not canon with the rest of the DC universe and should not be added to his powers and abilities section.--CrystalB4 03:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- CrystalB4, the Marvel page is by no means an exhaustive resource link towards a character's entire history. Within the Quaasar series there are several references towards Hyperion's Eternal heritage, and the second Hyperion is fundamentally based on the original's template. In addition, there are multiple references of Superman's regenerative abilities throughout his entire published history, the Infinite Crisis simply being the most substantive as it is recent. NetK 04:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Supermans abilities
I read the page, my opinion remains unchanged. The DKR is not mainstream DC universe and this particular instance with Wonder Woman is still not enough to go by. Thus, the regenerative abilities that you allude to should not be shown on the powers and abilities page of Superman.--CrystalB4 04:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Supermans abilities
Don't use the NPOV as an excuse to try to get me banned. Simply becase you don't agree with me does not mean you should try to have me banned. Be an adult here, I am not vandalizing this article or insulting you in any way. Just because you might reference a source does not make it absolutely right in all cases. My point of view can be just as accurate.--CrystalB4 04:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Regeneration
T-1000, I concur with your assessment of Superman's regenerative capabilities. In fact there are far more examples of this throughout his post-Crisis existence including when his power levels had dropped during different periods. However, you mention this as a result of his Kryptonian heritage. Wouldn't a more accurate assessment be that this ability is derived specifically from his solar power absorption capability. I question how regenerative his body would be under a red sun. NetK 04:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- True however it may be more accurate to state that the regenerative abilities are derived from how his Kryptonian physique processes yellow sun radiation. My sole contention is, under a red sun, there is no quantifiable evidence that he would regenerate above the normal human rate. NetK 04:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Omega Red
If Omega Red had carbonadium armor, then how did Psylocke manage to stab him through the chest and puncture his lung with a katana when, according to the article itself, its nearly impossible to do even with adamantium weapons. Also, in #7, after Wolverine breaks free from his restraints, he slashes Omega Red across the chest. If you look at Omega Red's chest, you can see where Wolverine's claws are slicing through the material as well as a healthy splattering of blood. I've got the issue in my hand right now and it's hard to argue with it. Odin's Beard 23:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any claw marks on Omega Red's face. I'm not making this up in order to start a debate, but I simply don't see what you're seeing. I can't explain why the artist didn't draw a puncture or slash wounds in Omega Red's armor, you'd have to ask him. All I know is, in the issue, his left lung is punctured. That couldn't happen unless the sword pierced his chest cavity. I can't explain the inconsistencies, but I also can't recall where it's actually printed that Omega Red's armor is carbonadium. I remember him stating that it was in the X-Men animated series, but that's a different continuity. Odin's Beard 00:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's the panel where Psylocke drives her katana through him. Also, if you look at the panel where Wolverine slahes him, after breaking free from his restraints, there's no evidence that Wolverine slashes him across the face. While it does show him slashing and a large splatter of blood, it doesn't clearly show where he was slashed, although certainly not on the face. Odin's Beard 01:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't have the issues involving his battle with Iron Man or Chamber, but you also haven't provided a source that clearly states that Omega Red possesses carbonadium armor. Look, let's not try to split hairs over this. The issue states that his left lung was punctured, meaning the sword had to penetrate his body. This in and of itself raises serious doubt as to whether Omega Red's armor is carbonadium. Odin's Beard 01:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
You have to also take into account what's written, not just what's shown in the drawings. If it states that his lung was punctured, then the fact that the sword sticking out his back is irrelevant. You have to look at the possibility that she simply didn't drive her sword completely through his body. Odin's Beard 01:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Why, just because you say so? What happened in X-Men #7 raises doubts about Omega Red having carbonadium armor. You also have yet to provide exactly where it states in any comic that Omega Red has carbonadium armor, or even a carbonadium laced bones for that matter. If there's a canonical source that states it, then that will put the issue to rest once and for all. Until then, I'm taking it out of the article. Odin's Beard 01:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I fail to see how that simply overrules what happened in X-Men #7. But, I'll leave that alone for the moment. How much force Chamber generated is irrelevant, you're avoiding the issue. You've provided an instance where the material of Omega Red's costume has withstood a heavy assault, granted, but that still doesn't prove that the armor is composed of carbonadium. Iron Man's robotic armor can withstand high degrees of impact without being damaged, that doesn't mean that it's composed of carbonadium or adamantium. Until a canonical source is cited that explicitly states that his armor is carbonadium, it's still just speculation on your part. Odin's Beard 02:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV?
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Can you please keep an eye on the edits of Asgardian? He is making POV editor and disregarding formatting standards on The Gladiator and Abomination pages. Thank you. T-1000 18:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
it is a tad hypocritical as to judge from not only the Gladiator page but also your Talk page everything is POV. Formatting is fine - it is the content that needs work.
Asgardian 01:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
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