Talk:Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement

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The part on Lori Berenson is biased. She may have done what the article says she did, but she was convicted only after a show trial and she still claims innocence.

This is far from NPOV as the source is "http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/tupac.htm From: Patterns of Global Terrorism, 2000. United States Department of State, April 2001". This would be one thing to consult but how about consulting a pro-MRTA source as well? --user:Daniel C. Boyer

Looks pretty neutral/factual to me despite the source, unless you think they are larger, do have leadership skills, there has been no infighting, or Peru hasn't been successful. Rewrite if you like.

-- User:David Levinson

Here is one example: there is evidence that the Fujimori regime killed MRTA fighters who attempted to surrender at the embassy, and that Peruvian soldiers mutilated MRTA bodies, &c. The regime attempted to prevent the corpses from being exhumed. --Daniel C. Boyer

The Truth and Reconciliation Comission, while criticizing the MRTA, did have some good things to say about them:

"In 1984, the Movimiento Revolucionario Túpac Amaru (MRTA) initiated its own armed struggle against the State. MRTA is responsible for 1.5 percent of the victim deaths that were reported to the TRC. Unlike Shining Path, and like other armed Latin American organizations with which it maintained ties, the MRTA claimed responsibility for its actions, its members used uniforms or other identifiers to differentiate themselves from the civilian population, it abstained from attacking the unarmed population and at some points showed signs of being open to peace negotiations."

This article doesn't seem to reflect any of that -- Descendall 07:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Agreed. I just added the whole paragraph to the article. MRTA did not indiscriminately killed or terrorized civilians as Shining Path did--AAAAA 11:39, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've changed this to a direct citation. -- Viajero 12:31, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well now. Now I'm worried it might be biased in the other way, as I sort of selectivly quoted the TRC. The rest of the paragrah is as follows:

Nevertheless, MRTA also engaged in criminal acts; it resorted to assassinations, such as in the case of General Enrique López Albújar, the taking of hostages and the systematic practice of kidnapping, all crimes that violate not only personal liberty but the international humanitarian law that the MRTA claimed to respect. It is important to highlight that MRTA also assassinated dissidents within its own ranks.

Should the entire thing be added? In any event, the English version of this part of the report can be found at http://www.cverdad.org.pe/ingles/ifinal/conclusiones.php -- Descendall 11:51, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I just added it.--AAAAA 12:20, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Much improved. Could we have a footnote leading to the relevant quote on the TRC's report? Should we move this to Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement? Is Lori Berenson an MIT graduate or did she just do a couple of semesters there (the point was squabbled about over on her article at some point)? So many questions... –Hajor 13:46, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Canto Grande jailbreak

Does anyone have any information about the big MRTA jailbreak from the Canto Grande prison around 1991 or so? --Eric Forste 22:06, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It was in 1990, and the only source I know is the book Tunnel to Canto Grande, 1996, Curbstone Press, Willimantic CT. This book is very detailed but is definitely not NPOV, since it takes a strongly pro-MRTA stance. ISBN 1880684349

According to the book, the official name of the prison broken out of was not Canto Grande but the Miguel Castro Castro maximum security penitentiary.

Correct. Casto Castro Prison is in the Canto Grande area of Lima. It goes by both names. --Descendall 03:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MRTA Flag

Does anyone else think that the image of the MRTA flag on this page kind of sucks? Most of images I have seen of the actual flag have stripes of the same width, not two thin red strips and one thick white one. See [1] [2] [3] [4]. I think it's pretty clear that the MRTA is a civil Peruvian flag defaced with the MRTA logo. --Descendall 20:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey! New flag! Nice. --Descendall 20:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)