Talk:Sybill Trelawney
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This article was nominated for deletion on 2005-03-15. The result of the discussion was keep. |
I believe this page needs Spoiler alerts for the prophecies in Order of the Phoenix.
How can I keep the same color Trelawney had before? It was changed from dark blue to white, and I can't get it back.
What part of the article are you trying to change the color of? --Vishahu 20:08, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)
- It's already been done.
[edit] "Sybill" vs. "Sibyll"
Are the US editions of the HP books considered more "correct" for Wikipedia than the UK versions? In the UK editions (currently at my elbow) Trelawney's forename is "Sybill." She's only "Sibyll" in the US ones, but I notice a number of people going through Wikipedia and changing the spelling to the US spelling. aec
Ahh, I noticed that Google was inconsistent, so I thought I'd settle it by reading the (American) books to double-check. I didn't know the spelling was inconsistent or I wouldn't have changed it. I suppose the UK spelling is better. Feel free to move the text of the article (and this talk page) back, if you wish. Olathe 10:26, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Correct Predictions
She's made LOADS of correct predictions, from Neville's broken cup to telling Lavender to "beware the red headed man" (leading to Ron eventually breaking her heart in book 6). Infact, as far as I recall, the ONLY incorrect prophecy that she's made is Harry's death, and we still don't know if that's wrong (you can argue that she incorrectly predicted that Buckbeak would die, as she thought Harry was wrong when he said Buckbeak wouldn't, but she might just have presumed otherwise-- she also incorrectly believed that the first to rise would be the first to die at Christmas dinner, but that's not a prophecy she made, it's just a traditional propechy that someone else made and said it was something that would happen in every case). Perhaps we should make a list of correct predictions, at the least it should be editted out that she's only made two correct predictions. --195.92.168.168 20:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
When making her two real prophecies, Professor Trelawney looks (and sounds) much different than her normal self. I think this is Rowling's way of telling us that these two predictions are, in fact, the real deal and not Trelawney's usual soothsaying. Characters who know their stuff, like Dumbledore and Firenze, have shown through their words and actions that they do not trust Trelawney's abilities; Dumbledore, for example, lists Trelawney's correct predictions to be exactly two. Professor McGonagall informs us that Trelawney has routinely predicted student deaths every year, and none has died yet.
When Lavender's pet rabbit died, she immediately thought of Trelawney predicting a "thing she was dreading". As Hermione shrewdly pointed out, Lavender wasn't expecting her rabbit to be killed by a fox, so it wasn't a thing she was "dreading". Similarly, the red-haired man comment is too much reminiscent of the generic "tall, dark stranger" act that is cliché of carnival fortune-tellers, and Neville's cup was just a coincidence, or even perhaps Trelawney being observant about Neville being a bit clumsy (although Trelawney observant is a little out there...) All in all, I stand with Dumbledore: Trelawney has made only two real prophecies in her life so far, and when it comes to future predictions I trust more Ron when he's joking rather than her.Sinistro 22:17, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
She told Parvati to beware a red-haired man, not Lavender (at least in the edition I have). Noneofyourbusiness 16:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
And at some point Harry was sneaking around at night under his invisibility cloak and Trelawney came by with tarot cards or something saying "a dark young man who doesn`t like you", or some such. Btw, how was Squire Trelawney of "Treasure Island" mentally ill? More naive, foolish and overtalkative, I would say. Jbhood 23:22, 3 September 2006 (UT
Oh, the dark young man is in the article, sorry Jbhood 23:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- It seems likely that 14 were sitting at the christmas dinner, since Ron was in the habit of carrying scabbers in his pocket at all times. If he gave him something to eat, then that would be 14 wizards eating together. Sandpiper 18:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- The case of the first of 13 dying was in the fifth book, when they ate together at Grimmauld, and Sirius was first up (and when Scabbers was already hanging out with Voldemort). We already know that Trelawney was wrong in book 3 - "the Entrance Hall, which was completely devoid of mad axe-men." Michaelsanders 18:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Neville and the prophecy
I changed the parts, where it was speculated that Neville might still be involved in the prophecy. See here: http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/rumours_view.cfm?id=36 and here: http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=84 Those statements clearly indicate, that the prophecy does not refer to Neville in any way anymore, and particulaly that he and Harry won't have to kill each other.
