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[edit] Template

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Switchfoot
Jon Foreman – Tim Foreman – Chad Butler – Jerome Fontamillas – Drew Shirley
Discography
Albums: The Legend of Chin – New Way to Be Human – Learning to Breathe – The Beautiful Letdown – Nothing Is Sound – Oh! Gravity.
Singles: Meant to Live – Dare You to Move – This Is Your Life – Stars – We Are One Tonight - Oh! Gravity. - Awakening

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[edit] Archives

• Talk:Switchfoot/archive1 -- (external links, Switchfoot and CCM, Switchfoot in promos, deleted album chart)
• Talk:Switchfoot/archive2 -- (template, Evergreen and other semi-released songs, trivia, album 6)

[edit] Wikiprojects

Contents 1 Template 2 Archives 3 Wikiprojects 4 EPs 5 Good Article 5.1 To do list 6 4:12 7 GA nomination 8 Good Article nomination 9 Names in bios, etc. 10 Walmart Soundcheck Live Sessions 11 Question 12 Fan Support 13 Awesome Band

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[edit] EPs

2 EPs need to be added.

• the iTunes-exclusive "Live - EP" featuring DYTM, On Fire, Ammunition, The Beautiful Letdown and More Than Fine. (release date: Mar 9th, 2004)
• the free-with-the-preorder-of-Oh!-Gravity EP "Oh! Switchfoot." featuring "Sound In My Mouth", "C'mon, C'mon" and "Oh! Gravity. (live)" (release date: Oct 17th, 2006)

can someone please add these for me, since I don't know how to and am too lazy to figure it out? thanks! -.phil. 06:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I actually just added a mention of the new EP to the Oh! Gravity article, not quite sure what you are looking to do. Never heard of the other EP, as it lacks any different songs I'm not entirally sure if it warrents it's own article --T-rex 07:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The other EP is a live EP so they're all previously unreleased stuff. You can find it on iTunes. I meant we should have an "EPs" section between "Albums" and "Singles", like other artists on wiki. -.phil. 19:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Again, calling for the removal of "Oh! EP." from the "Albums" section (as its not an album) and putting it along with the live EP, in a separate EPs section. Thankyou. -phil

I agree, I don't really know anything about that live EP they do though, does it have an official name? --T-rex 15:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, iTunes just calls it "Live - EP". It was an iTunes exclusive. -.phil. 09:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article

For about half a year now it has been my belief that this is one of the better articles about bands on wikipedia. As such I am currently preparing to nominate it for "good article status". One of the requirements is that the article is stable and that's why I've waited until after Oh! Gravity released to do so. I'll probably do this next week first there are a few things to fix up. --T-rex 22:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To do list

• See above discussion about a second EP

Re-write Oh! Gravity section as it is a bit fragmented

• expand first 3 albums (a little)

fix up related articles (Learning to Breathe, The Beautiful Letdown, Oh! Gravity. (song), and This Is Your Life (song))

• Would the use of the lowercase people logo fall under "fair use" for this article?

rewrite (and possibly retitle) "other projects" section to phargraph form (lowercase people, should be lowercase)

• others???

I have now gone ahead and done so, lets hope for the best... --T-rex 16:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• • I don't want to break the flow on this article, and I can't find a place to put that "We are One" peaked at #2 on the R&R Christian CHR was the 8th most played song on Christian CHR radio in 2006 according to the radio program "Weekend 22" chart that aired on the weekend of January 7 2007. Royalbroil ^T : C 16:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

for the most part we don't cite non billboard charts so this is probably best left off the article see here --T-rex 16:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 4:12

hey, I've removed this bit of trivia again. Blogspot and epinions do not come remotly close to being considered reliable sources. If MTV or Reuters or someone along those lines starts talking about it then it would deserve a mention, but it looks to be nothing more then random thoughts and conspiracy theory that arrises when looking at numbers to long (4 8 15 16 23 42), once you remove that all that is left is that the song 4:12 lasts for 4 minuites and 12 seconds which isn't incredablly origional, although it may have needed a mention on the oh! gravity page if it wasn't already so obvious from the track listing. thanks for reading --T-rex 00:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

alright, agreed. -.phil. 03:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know the site is no longer on Blogspot, and that Tim Foreman mentioned www.switchfeed.com on their MySpace blog today (blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4441967&blogID=220645292) - the very first time the guys have "officially" endorsed a fansite or fanblog. So I thought you might wanna keep that in mind, because it is my hope to see the site added under "External Links" eventually, but I won't be the one to do it, since I own/run the site. In all humility, I think its the most popular and respected among SF fansites or fanblogs (well, its the only fanblog) out there right now. So whenever you think its upto the standard, you might wanna consider listing it here. Thanks. -.phil. 09:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC) 09:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination

Before this article can reach GA status, fair use rationales are needed for all of the fair use images on the page. The album covers in the tables should probably be removed based on the recommendation at WP:MUSTARD. ShadowHalo 00:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Easy enough, but the real question is why is it WP:MUSTARD??? The jump from music to yellow hot dog sause baffles me --T-rex 07:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I assume it's from the expression "cut the mustard". --3M163//Complete Geek 10:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, although even that isn't too clear. Back to the images themselves, I personally agree that this is an excessive use of fair use images, but a quick check showed that about 60% of GA's on bands used them anyways, I'm going to try to find the editor who added the images to the page and see what they think... --T-rex 16:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Unless anyone objects I'm removing these images --T-rex 20:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe it's supposed to stand for music standard. Okay, it's bad. Hey, I didn't come up with it.  ;-) ShadowHalo 06:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article nomination

Hello. I have had a read through the article and have placed the nomination on hold currently due to the images used. The main image Image:Switchfoot.jpg is marked as replaceable fair use while a free use image, Image:Jonforeman.JPG is used elsewhere. Perhaps the second image could replace the image listed for replacement? That could even be a temporary measure while a better image of the complete band could be uploaded. I will give until next Monday, 22 January 2007, to make my decision. The article is in very good shape! Wikiwoohoo 18:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could try contacting any users on Flickr with images on the band for permission to use their images? From personal experience, an enquiry to a user with such an image usually brings a positive response. You would need to make sure you gave full credit to the user. Wikiwoohoo 18:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I've been trying to get a second opinion of the photograph for a while, and have gotton a total of zero responces. I guess the short term answer will have to be to delete it and to bring up the argument on a simiular image elsewhere, to try and set a precedent one way or the other. I have in mind two images to upload in it's place, both inferior, but both under cc-by licenses, thanks --T-rex 20:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Now that you have sorted the photographs it is much better. I have decided the article does pass the Good Article criteria and have added it to the Good Articles list. Congratulations! All the hard work that has gone into this is on show. Wikiwoohoo 19:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If anyone is still looking to get better concert photos I have one from about a year ago during the Nothing is sound tour the url is http://picasaweb.google.com/mennomateo/SwitchfootConcert/photo#4978169624273354770 it in great condition not blurry at all, almost profession quality

Jedi canuck 23:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

If you are explicitally willing to licnece the photo under a creative commons or other free license, then I'm sure we could find a place for it on wikipedia (the Chad Butler page appears to be a prime canidate) --T-rex 06:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Names in bios, etc.

I keep seeing the band members referred to only as 'Chad' or 'Drew.' In my opinion, this sounds unprofessional, and if they aren't being introduced, it seems more encyclopedic to refer to them as 'Butler' or 'Shirley'. I think this makes it sound less like a fan site. If you think about it, you rarely see someone referred to solely their first name in a newspaper or anything else. It would make sense to change this on the individual member pages as well. The only question I have is what the best way is to efficiently distinguish Jon and Tim, without saying 'Tim Foreman' every single time. I want it to sound professional, but not redundant. What does everybody else think? —Akrabbim^talk 23:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You have a good point, although as you mentioned it is difficult with brothers in the band. Looking through the reference it appears as if most magazines/articles and stuff refer to most band members by their last name, but in most statements/ press releases from the band they refer to themselves by their first name. I would be opposed for going through and changing them all, but we probably should mix it up a little more --T-rex 00:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

MoS:BIO addresses this. "After the initial mention of any name, the person may be referred to by surname only...The use of the first name gives the impression that the writer knows the subject personally...To disambiguate between siblings or other well-known relatives with the same surname, use the surname of the article header to indicate that person, and use first names or complete names to indicate siblings or others." I had a fun time trying to figure out how to apply that at the No Doubt article since Eric Stefani left, but his sister Gwen stayed. ShadowHalo 06:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

So does that mean we refer to Jon and Tim as 'Jon and Tim' or 'Jon Foreman and Tim Foreman'? —Akrabbim^talk 15:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually that line seems to refer more to where one has preference over the other, such as mentioning Tim in the Jon Foreman article. I'm actually starting to think this might be a poor idea, looking at some other good articles I've found U2 switches between Larry Mullen and Larry, but no instances of Mullen (I ignored Bono and The Edge as obvious exceptions), Howie Day switches between all three, and Bob Marley always seems to use the full "Bob Marley", The Fray (band) which half has the brother thing going on switches between first and full name, but mostly uses their full names --T-rex 16:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the main article doesn't really have much of a problem; it was more the members' respective pages. I've fixed what I saw there though. —Akrabbim^talk 20:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Walmart Soundcheck Live Sessions

[1] if you go this website you can download tracks and watch live sessions of them performing acoustically. So should this info be added to the Oh Gravity album or should be it be added to this article, or a possible seperate article and added to the discography. --DJREJECTED 16:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It's just a promo thing, I think they've done it before and will do it again... although look at the trivia given on the right when watching the soundcheck, it appears to be lifted from our fine page here... --T-rex

The article is looking nice, but could be improved in a few areas.

Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD, "trivial information is not appropriate on Wikipedia. If a particular fact is worthy of inclusion, it should be placed into proper context in the body of an article. Do not use the Trivia subheading."

There are some red wikilinks throughout that should be removed or the articles created.

In some places the band members are referred to by first name only. They should be referred to by last name per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies). -- Pepsi2786 01:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC) - moved to talk page by T-rex

[edit] Question

Why are there 4 footnotes for a sentence in the first paragraph about the band being "enegetic"? Are 4 footnotes necessary for this one sentence? --Mjrmtg 14:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Support

Should there be a section on how Switchfoot keeps venue prices low, how they encourged fans to rip Nothing is Sound on their computers, to share the bootleg albums from the !Oh Gravity Tour -- Jedi canuck 05:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Awesome Band

This is an awesome band! I have four of their CDs and they just flat out rock. I know some don't like their power pop sounds, but I think it's what makes them unique and different from other uber-testosterone bands. Sherlock32 23:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)