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Contents 1 Zen Master??? 2 Category: Jewish American Writers ? 3 Orman promotes the Fair & Isaac owned myFICO website, which charges consumers roughly $50 for FICO scores that are available to businesses for under $2 each. 4 Suze Orman is WRONG about Using the FICO score to build wealth! 5 Does Anyone Know About Suze's Personal Life?? 6 Homosexuality 7 About the Feb 2007 articles 8 College Information

[edit] Zen Master???

hit me with a kyosaku!!!!!

[edit] Category: Jewish American Writers ?

I relaize that her parents were Jewish, but she identifies as a Buddhist. Should she be classified as a Jewish writer? --Robb0995 01:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, she's certainly Jewish ethnically and culturally, even if she doesn't practice the religion. A lot of Jews aren't religious, but they are unquestionably still Jewish in many ways. Oh, btw, I'll add her to the Buddhist category. Vulturell 06:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

if that's the case, then she should be a Hebrew and still not a Jew. That's analogous to calling a non-religious Italian person a Catholic.

[edit] Orman promotes the Fair & Isaac owned myFICO website, which charges consumers roughly $50 for FICO scores that are available to businesses for under $2 each.

This statement makes it sound like Suze is some kind of crook or something. I suggest that, unless that is actually the intent (which would probably be POV) someone should fix this sentence to read without the insinuation. In fact, I am going to erase everything after website and if anyone feels that the information needs to be added, they should find a more nutral way to word it.

update: rather than eliminate the ending, I reworded it in order to retain the information and link to Fico scores. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amyanda2000 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC).

Actually, myFICO is the only place where consumers can get their FICO score as far as I know. Fair Isaac runs the FICO score business - FICO stands for Fair Isaac Corporation. I'll clarify the article accordingly. Toby (talk) 04:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suze Orman is WRONG about Using the FICO score to build wealth!

A FICO score is NOT required to buy cars, obtain home loans, cell phones, student loans, etc. Considering how the FICO score is calculated the FICO score is an "I Love Debt" score. In the recent years the banking and lending industry has been heavily pushing the FICO or Beacon score to convince consumers that they should always maintain some level of debt to keep a good score. This is fuel to the fire that has overwelmed the middle and lower class into buying what they cannot afford. The reason the United States has on of the lowest global savings rates when compared to other developed countries is because the middle class and lower class are stuck living paycheck to paycheck thanks to credit card, car, and all other kinds of loan payments.

If what Suze Orman says is true, that Self Worth = Net Worth, then she should be telling more people to save money for major purchases instead of borrowing money to obtain a artificial score. Letting the bank have a plan for your money is like letting a wolf attend to your flock of sheep. I think a majority of Americans forgot that most businesses still accept CASH.

[edit] Does Anyone Know About Suze's Personal Life??

Is she married? Divorced? Gay? She's mentioned that she is in a committed relationship with someone special - who is it? Does she have any children? birth, step or adopted? (68.77.5.131 01:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC))

Anitra

[edit] Homosexuality

Here is a link. --Lincoln F. Stern 19:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2007/02/financial-guru-suze-orman-is-gay.html

Woops, thats a blog. Here is a better link. --Lincoln F. Stern 20:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003549559

[edit] About the Feb 2007 articles

It is a fact that she is gay. With that said, it does not add to the article to say that she "came out as a lesbian" or that she was "never with a man". The term "coming out" gives the non-neutral impression that she has been hiding and she deserves the benefit of the doubt. If I went over to the article on George Bush and put in the line "he has never been with a man" it would be equally valueless. -- Mufka ^{(user) (talk) (contribs)} 01:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I just added the virginity bit after seeing it linked on Drudge, sorry. I pulled it back out. - Denny 07:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

She was probably joking about the virgin thing. It's hard to tell since it's a print interview. Either way, it doesn't really need to be in the article unless it's later made clear that she was joking. Crumbsucker 13:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems that there is still some insistence to edit the article with regards to her homosexuality. Most edits are by anon users and no one seems to be really discussing it here. I guess the discussion for consensus here should focus on using the term gay vs. lesbian (I think we should settle on homosexual) and on the value of including the fact that she was never with a man (which I think adds absolutely no value to the article). There also seems to be some tendency to include redundant information in the Trivia section (which almost seems to me to indicate that the editors adding such information are not reading the whole article first.) -- Mufka ^{(user) (talk) (contribs)} 16:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The term "homosexual" is rather dated, so it seems an odd choice. In modern language, female gay people are called lesbians. What's the issue with calling her a lesbian then? And why are you taking out all references to her being gay from the article?? Please stop doing that. She's just come out in a national newspaper. There is no reason whatsoever to exclude that information from this article. At this point, it's nowhere in the article for reasons unfathomable. Moncrief 14:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that "homosexual" is the most neutral word. The word "gay" has a connotation of living a certain way, out and unashamed, and "lesbian" is a neutral word that applies to homosexual women. None of the words seem dated to me.

"Never been with a man" does seem like a humorous thing to say in context even if it is true. To some, practicing homosexuality ends one's virginity so the remark of hers about being a 55-year-old virgin also might not be meant to be factual. Cardiffman 15:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of the accuracy of your assessment of the use of those words (I don't agree with you), Suze Orman is indeed OUT AND UNASHAMED. She just came out in the New York Times, for crying out loud. I am very happy to take this to both Requests for Comment and the GLBT group here on Wikipedia if you're still unclear with the preference for "gay" or "lesbian" over "homosexual." Moncrief 15:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, "gay" or "lesbian" is prefered over "homosexual" per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (identity). Pretty clearcut. The text right now looks pretty good. Crumbsucker 16:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. The text as it stands now looks good. I think my efforts to foster discussion sparked the necessary dialog on the topic in order to form some sort of consensus. -- Mufka ^{(user) (talk) (contribs)} 16:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I changed "bemoaned the fact that" to "regretted"; "bemoaned" is obviously pejorative, so I changed it to a more neutral word. --Andersonblog 19:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Good choice. Thanks. Moncrief 19:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] College Information

I am watching her talk to Tim Russert on CNBC where she is saying that she did not graduate from the University of Illinois, but rather couldn't pass the foreign language requirement and ended up graduating from a state school somewhere else.Kenallen 03:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)