Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Will314159

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[edit] User:Will314159

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Will314159 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

OldRoy (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)

Report submission by

Isarig 01:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Evidence

• OldRoy started editing WP on 01:22, 29 October 2006. Will314159 was blocked for recruiting meat puppets and other offenses for 10 days on 23 October 2006 [1], and his last edit on WP (to his own Talk page) was on 15:44, 28 October 2006.
• OldRoy has been editing WP for all of 6 days, and he's already archiving his user talk page [2]
• OldRoy's first edit on WP was this: [3] - quite an odd first edit

Second accusation in as many days. Busy Isarig. It's not required to have a user name to edit WP. I have used WP articles for years for school and work and corrected articles without registering. I am familiar with using a wiki. WP is not the only organization that uses wiki software. My other extensive use of a wiki is classified. My acquaintance with Bashir, Bali, Indonesia and the Mideast relates to my prior classifed employment. Who is Isarig to judge that copy editing an article is an ODD edit?Reg OldRoy 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• OldRoy began editing 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict - the same article in which Will314159 had been edit warring in for several days

This was a very noticable war that went on for over a month. Many people worldwide have an interest in that matter beside Willbunchofnumbers and Isarig. R OldRoy 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Another editor noticed this, and pointed out suspected puppet activity:[4]

Did they notice it independently or drink from Isarig's "poisoned well" in his edit byline? R OldRoy 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Another editor noted OldRoy's uncommon proficiency with WP, for someone who has only been editing a few days: "* I agree that there are a few suspicious circumstances (I agree oldroy has, um, and unusual style, although not many contribs are there for a consistent style so far) - but I think it is fairly obvious on the language factor alone that these are two seperate editors. As for the accusations about working as one on the ABB pages, it is not the first time that two people have shared similar views - lol. Although, I must say, that for someone who has only been on wikipedia for a few days, and only on a few specific articles, Oldroy is remarkably precocious in his editing skill and apparent familiarity with how wikipedia works on this page and this edit summary from his contribs: "rv per disc, not WP:RS, be civ, AGF or be reported". Have you ever been on wikipedia before roy? Maybe there is nothing to it, and I don't mean to make an accusation, just comment as I see things. --Merbabu 14:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)"

And Mbabu goes on to say precociocity (thanks Mbabu for the compliment) can be explained by prior unregistered use. Apparently he's not familiar that other organizations use Wikis to share information across agencies. look up and read IntellipediaRegOldRoy 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• there are a couple of very similar style characteristics between OldRoy's edits and Will314159's edits. For example, the use of "shxt" instead of "shit":

"OldRoy": All the horseshxt is valuable resources lost from editing WP. Regards [5]

"Will314159": "WHEN a discussion descends to scatalogical (shxt) language it usually means ..." [6]

• Isarig, your use of "shit" is a violation of WP:CIV and will be reported. I am happy to know there are other civil persons in WP. And that others try to keep civility alive by signing off. R OldRoy 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Another example is the way they sign their Talk posts, with a prting word appended to thier user name

Will314159 always doing so with "Cheers. Will314159",

OldRoy doing so with "Regards OldRoy".

And that others try to keep civility alive by signing off. R OldRoy 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Another example is their edit summaries, in which both Oldroy and Will314159 commonly name the editor they are reverting:

OldRoy: (rv not WP:RS 3RR warning Isarig); (rv Isarig Stratfor double hearsay, not WP:RS see prev talk)

Will314159: (→Reviews of the conflict - Isarig took out cite); (Isarig don't be boorish and take down disputed tag)

Proper referencing was taught to me in my other slight wiki trainin. A proper edit trail is proper for auditing. Isarig does it too, but I try to avoid his hostility. R OldRoy 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Will314159 is a lawyer[7] OldRoy displays an uncanny knowledge of US legal concepts such as Double Jeopardy [8]

I am not a barrister or solicitor but have a lot o knowledge of medicine. But my craft has exposed me necessarily to a lot of legal issues. I have read Winston Churchill's History of the English Speaking People and am familiar with all of the great rights granted by the Magna Carta, Charter of the Forest, Simon Montfort's Parliament and the long fought processes. I know what double jeapordy is, habeus corpus, and all kinds of neat little stuff, but I would not claim to be a lawyer. But Gosh Darn, it seems like one needs to hire one to edit in the same article as Isarig. Two accusations in as many days. How many articles could I have copy-edited in the time I've spent engaging his false accusations? Regards OldRoy 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• OldRoy is advocating for creation of a "views and controversies" section in the Alexander Haig page [9], and has created such a section on Abu Bakar Bashir. A "views and controversies" section is quite uncommon on WP - the only other page I've seen it on is Juan Cole - where Will314159 has been a very active editor, and one of the main reasons for the creation of the V&C section, and later a complete V&C page [10]

Not a page but a secton on the existing page. Have a look at the Bashir page mate. Are you Wikistalking me? Did you not accuse NiewWiki of that just recently? Oh I see, one set of rules for others and one for Isarig? Reg OldRoy 18:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• OldRoy somehow found an obscure article that Will314159 created Gaza Strip Israeli Settlements, and shows up on that article's Talk page to advocate for Will's position [11]

Comments

• Two accusations in as many days. This does get tiresome. Have a look at Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Nielswik. In the first one I was an alter-ego for an Indonesian gentleman who struggled with his English (sorry Niel). But Isarig made his preposterous claim nevertheless. He stops at nothing. Is this part of Haloween? No that's over. I think I"ll wait for Will a bunch of numbers to come back and address these issues. A comparison of IP's should settle the matter. When is the dude's block up? If he chooses to come back? Reg OldRoy 18:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the best way to settle this is a comparison of IPs. So, what is yours?

• The above complaint is made by Isarig according to the history log. It is unsigned anywhere in the body. I would no more furnish him my I.P. than I would my S.S.N. Assume Good Faith until you have good reason to assume otherwise. In this case, the bad faith has manifested itself abundantly first toward NielsWik, myself and the other guy. Such animus has no place in WP. Reg. OldRoy 01:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Conclusions

Not blocking. I don't really understand the complaint. For a full review, I recommend taking this report to WP:RFCU. Kilo•T 11:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)