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Hey there - I noticed your comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One stop phone shop, and thought I would drop you a note to let you know that DJ Clayworth is referring to Wikipedia's Criteria for Speedy Deletion when using the term "speediable". When an article is deleted according to the CSD then it is said to have been "speedied" for short. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 04:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


Welcome!

Hello, Supposed, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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In reply to your questions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One stop phone shop, I did not delete the article previously. Another administrator thought it was deletable under Wikipedia:Candidates for speedy deletion. (Peruvianllama already explained what that meant). I disagreed, but since some people obviously think it should be deleted the easiest way is to get the opinion of the community. The article will stay listed for five days, and if there is a consensus to delete it it will be deleted. If not it will be kept. In my personal opinion bits of it do read rather like an advert; making it more neutral would help it's chances of being kept. DJ Clayworth 04:22, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I've started the Totalise Plc v Motley Fool Ltd page. --Kchase02 05:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Cheers, appreciated. I have to gotta go to bed so will see the outcome of this in say 10hours from now.

see you later. Supposed 05:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Category:Reward websites

Hello, I've done what you asked for at Category:Reward websites. To add an article to a category, add [[Category:Some category name]] anywhere in the text of the article (usually at the bottom). Likewise, to make a category a subcategory of another category, add [[Category:Parent category name]] to the child category. See Wikipedia:Category for more information. Conscious 12:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for that. Muchos appreciation Supposed 12:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed wikiproject by Salix alba (talk • contribs • count)

Are you interested in joining? I think that it will be similar to Esperanza and Department of Fun (Respond on my talk page). Anonymous_anonymous_Have a Nice Day 20:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Navigation Templates

Please read the Navigation Template. I have explained why the Template is important the way it is. Talk:Environmental_technology--E-Bod 20:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually you are right the template seem really strange. the other template is more appropriate--E-Bod 00:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion

Hello! I noticed that you have identified yourself as an Anglican, and so I thought that you may be interested in checking out a new WikiProject - WikiProject Anglicanism. Please consider signing up and participating in this collaborative effort to improve and expand articles related to Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion! Cheers! Fishhead64 23:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Video on conversion disorder

Hi thanks for putting that link up on the conversion disorder talk page. Unfortunately the link doesn't work, but I'd be very interested to see it. Can you update?

Paul --PaulWicks 07:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I was looking at a website earlier where all these videos are but I'm having problems finding now.

However the videos are availabwe through yahoo search, you need to click on the video stub to view them. If you click on the link to the page it says that page is no longer available. It's quite strange.

The video you're after is at the bottom of this page

http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=schizophrenia&ei=UTF-8&cv=g&fr=FP-tab-vid-t&b=21

[edit] Esperanza

I noticed you failed to meet the entry requirements a while ago for Esperanza, but it looks to me as if you could now join!

If you are still interested, we'd be glad to welcome you- just re-read the requirements here and follow the instructions.

I look forward to seeing you around!

EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 20:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quidco

Thought I'd let you know that Quidco has been proposed for deletion. NickelShoe (Talk) 19:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Aye thank you. There are several problems this and similar nominations. I will try and work through them later.

For example both rpoints and quidco are definately notable as Martin Lewis wrote an article in The_Guardian in which both were compared, in quite a biased fashion.

Secondly it's a little absurd to suggest this is sel-promotion as I would have to have a stake in all of these business's greasypalm rpoints and quidco.

Epinions has also been nominated for deletion yet it's owned by shopping.com who are owned by ebay. Quidco is a much better option for consumers and consumers should be informed as to how these websites work and how to best shop online. Wikipedia offers a way to inform the consumer without introducing bias.

Paypal has an article, in the same vain epinions should have an article as they are also owned by ebay but then why should the site which has the biggest business weight behind it have notability, especially why should it have it when the deal offered for consumers on epinions is alot worse than alternatives.

I will edit the content of these articles later, then remove the tags and then if necessary let it go to vote. Supposed 13:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Supposed 13:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for taking the time to write a message. I nominated the articles not because of anything they have done. Rather it is what they have not done. Wiki Guidelines on this will help us both and get a better article for all. Wikipedia:Companies,_corporations_and_economic_information/Notability_and_inclusion_guidelines
As such, you can add to that. Tell me how many days you think you'll need and be generous with the time, but not toooo generous. After that, if the articles still look feebile, I will WP:AfD.
Lastly, please sign your message with the four tilde ~~~~. This makes it easier for everyone to communicate. Also, I'll pull any tags you missed. meatclerk 05:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] epinion & quidco

Supposed, do you plan on taking over these articles? or should I PROD again? or AfD? I would prefer you write. meatclerk 05:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Supposed, I write to you again, asking about these articles. I assume that you need 3-4 months. Is this enough time? meatclerk 20:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate you taking the time to write to me about these issues. I feel that there is no issue with the Quidco article anymore as because the corporation has been featured in both a BBC and Guardian article it now meets WP:CORP Criteria.

As for Epinion, I don't know a huge amount about it in comparison to the other sites, however it is owned by Ebay so I would expect it to meet WP:CORP criteria very easily. I think it meets WP:CORP criteria simply because ebay is listed on the shares indexes.

Lastly you can't rePROD articles, you can only PROD them once. If you want the articles to be deleted you will have to go through the AfD process. Supposed 17:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Putting aside some assumptions, I note you have done some good work on several "web reward sites". However, they have some trival links mostly as a means to avoid obvious wikify. I'll clean them up, if you get the articles, as you promised. Will that work for you? meatclerk 22:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza membership

Hi!

I noticed you still haven't accepted membership into Esperanza- if you're no longer interested, would you consider removing your name from this list please?

I hope you do decide to join!

Regards,

EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 18:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reward Websites

Supposed, I note that a very limited amount of work on these websites. Are you giving up on them? I clean some of them up. They contained inappropriate links. Also, I should note that "press releases" are not considered valid news article for verification of a corporation. They are considered "trivial", hence of no value. None of the articles are on my watch list. So you have all the time you need, but please make some effort. Best regards. meatclerk 07:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Meatclerk, your tone to put it mildly is annoying but made worse because you should more carefully read the criteria you quote.

The company or corporation has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company itself. This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations except for the following: Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the company or corporation talks about itself, and advertising for the company. 1 Works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report extended shopping hours or the publications of telephone numbers and addresses in business directories.2

both Quidco and rpoints meet the above criteria because they have been the subject of non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company itself.

Your definition of trivial coverage is not the same as the quote from WP:CORP above, whereby trivial coverage refers to newspaper articles that simply report extended shopping hours or the publication of telephone nubers and addresses in business directories. For that matter you haven't even read the guardian article, so you have no grounds whatsoever to call this work trivial. I have read it. The BBC article goes into alot of detail on rpoints so for rpoints that work is definately not trivial.

Unfortunately there are dodgy dealings going on in regards to all the articles mentioned. Do you not find it odd that the worst deals for consumers are the sites that get the most coverage? For these business's having an article written is often about who you know and Martin Lewis is known to have a very cosy relationship with rpoints. In which case the above criteria may be violated on grounds that it's not independent, unfortunately it's hard to prove this but I can show you clear bias on his part.

Lastly, the tone that you adopt toward me is confrontational. Your comment reads like a telling off, I have written a damning report on rpoints with evidence that 'effort' to create, more effort than anyone else has put into these articles, so why do you feel it necessary to complain to me for lack of effort? Your task is not to have these articles deleted and ask other people to tell you why, your time would be better served at finding out why these articles shouldn't be deleted and perhaps then improving them yourself.Supposed 10:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Supposed, I appoligize for my tone. I perhaps should do this earlier in the day, so as I have more time to edit any possibly tone issues. Please know I am on your side and working in good faith. So, if I might ask at this time, please overlook my frank tone.
With regards to the news clips you offered, you quote the correct section I was looking for. I appoligize for not pointing to them directly. But as you quite clearly have the section, perhaps you missed the section where I state They are considered "trivial",. True it can be easy to miss, so here it is:

except for the following: Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the company or corporation talks about itself, and advertising for the company. 1 Works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report extended shopping hours or the publications of telephone numbers and addresses in business directories.

Perhaps you can see where it says, publications where the company or corporation talks about itself. This is by definition a press release, and of course not valid.
I'll correct this on the article and leave other issues till next time. Thanks for your patience meatclerk 15:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • On reflection, I'll leave the correction on the articles for another day. Please note forums and blogs are not permitted either. Thanks meatclerk 15:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Reward Websites 2

In the case of the guardian article by martin Lewis, your assertion here that this article is the company or corporation talking about itself is absurb because this is an indepedent financial journalist comparing both rpoints and quidco in a bias fashion, nowhere in this article are the companies asked to comment, so again this does not violate WP:CORP. The more important thing that you should be focusing on is that he takes a strong position toward recommending rpoints even though it's very obvious that it offers a worse choice for consumers, but regardless of this your assertion that neither of these press releases meet WP:CORP is wrong. I understand why you want to keep the peace and it's probably best but you're telling me that an article which you have never read does not meet WP:CORP!Supposed 17:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
With regards to the article by Martin Lewis, I have made no such assertion.
To assist in the resolution of these external links. I am listing them one by one. I will mark each one valid or not. It's up to you to agree or disagree.

This is a press release. It is not valid. Please note the website is prnewswire.co.uk. This is a well known website and agency for press releases. I do not need to read it.

This is the offical company website. It is valid.

  • Martin Lewis, 08/10/2005 Cashback sites article The Guardian "Quidco, the choice for cashback kings".

This is not an external link. This story is not on their website. (That is, the website listed in the wikipedia article.) It is not valid. However, it may be valid for Additional reading. As I cannot verify that, I will take you at your word that it exists.

This is a trival article. It is not valid. I read the article, especially the two sentences that talk about quidco.

Should any of this seem unreasonable, I include the link to Wikipedia:External_links guidelines.
Just to be clear on this. Multiple non-trival articles will help define a corporation for listing on wikipedia. (I take it that at least two (2), not counting the company website, is multiple) This means that if more than two articles are listed about the company, then this serves to make them non-trival and hence, notable enough for listing in Wikipedia. Regardless of what they do, they are a corporation and publicly traded company, hence WP:Corp are one set of guidelines. On this matter, I will help you with this article.
So, if we take the Martin Lewis article and another article, then it should be okay when listed as a Corporation, at least by me. However, the other article should be verifyable. meatclerk 05:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geography Wikiproject

Hello, I thought you might be interested in helping Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geography If so, just add your name to the page. Thanks AlexD 11:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Esperanza

Welcome, Supposed, to Esperanza! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

Now that you are a member you should read the guide to what to do now or you may be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is Stressbusters, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. We will send you newsletters to keep you up to date. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.

In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Proposals.

If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact our administrator general Natalya by email or talk page. Consider introducing yourself at the Esperanza talk page! Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). If you're new to IRC, you may find help at an IRC tutorial. I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to work!

Húsönd 18:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] November Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] World's Smallest Political Quiz userbox

You may be interested in User:Audacity/Userboxes/WSPQ, which is a replacement for the old Political Chart userbox. The new userbox takes the two variables (economic and personal freedom), calculates which political alignment they place you into (Statist, Libertarian, Liberal, Centrist, or Conservative), and links your userpage to the appropriate category.

Please reply to User talk:Audacity, as I will not be watching your talk page. Λυδαcιτγ 07:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Rpointscensor.JPG)

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[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Rpointscensoragain2.JPG)

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[edit] WikiProject Environment barnstar

I have created a barnstar for Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment. Please visit the talk page to vote for the barnstar since there are no votes for 2 months. OhanaUnited 02:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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