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[edit] Wii SMASH FILES

Does someone have a list of the Smach files listed in Nintendo Power? I only know the 9th which is Fox. Sora3087 22:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Number 1 Was Solid Snake and Number 2 Was Mario. I also know pit and Link were also Super Smash Files.ATRUEZELDAFAN 15:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Pikachu and Meta Knight were also in, and I believe Samus may have been. I assume that Fox was the last, and next month there will be none or they'll reveal another.

I have the Smash files and the order is: 1) Snake 2) Mario 3) Pit 4) Kirby 5)Wario 6)Pikachu 7)Meta Knight 8)Link 9)Fox so the only on missing now is Samus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.4.211.195 (talk • contribs).

In the last NP, they just released the Smash file for Samus. 70.130.216.144 03:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nintendojo

Apparently a site called "Nintendojo" just caught wind of that stupid Young-Link-replaced-by-Young-Link rumor and posted it as though it was the latest news today. You have been warned. --HeroicJay 20:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

REALLY... Well, could someone post a link to it here for everyone's reference, then? It might be necessary. And I assume you meant Young Link replaced by cel-shaded Windwaker Link. ;-) Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 21:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I said what I meant, though your description works too. Anyway, here is a link to the re-re-re-re-return of the rumor. Of course, the only source they give is that French article from last June. --HeroicJay 21:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

And is the French article not credible? GSwarthout 22:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

It was deemed not credible a long time ago. Its date was last June - before Fox was officially confirmed - gives no evidence of its assertions, and Nintendo has yet to do a single thing to give any credence. There's also been no evidence yet provided that the radio show Sakurai allegedly revealed the information on even exists. --HeroicJay 22:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree. It would not have taken anywhere near this long to find independent confirmation of the radio interview if it was real. --69.156.207.34 18:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Super Smash Brawl Chracter Additions

okay i have an artcile, legitamte, on new details about some charcters http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151290

Apparently, Masashiro Sakurai announced that Bowser Jr, the "Celda" (windwaker) version of Link, and Ridely (archenmies of Samus) will be in Wii Brawl Game. Also learned is that the Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, and Young Link are not returning . Sakuri also stated he wanted to have at least 40 characters, with 1-2 more third party characters added. Nebfootball7 02:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)nebfootball7 March 5, 2007 9:59 EST

We have received this information before, and in truth it's a rumor. BassxForte 03:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Why does no one ever bother to look closely at news. Other then the fact it's been discussed here, did you see the date of that newspost? JackSparrow Ninja 03:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I hope that rumor's not true except for the additions. It'd be pretty cool to have the Windwaker Link and Ridley. 10:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
You listed 1up as a reliable source, that's very wrong. More Wrong than Mushroom Kingdom Hearts. Mavrickindigo 01:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

That rumor has been around for a while. It's probably not true. I don't what to think on the issue of characters from Melee not returning. When Sakurai said not everyone will be returning to Brawl might mean that all characters will be returning but not all of them will have the same moveset. Ganondorf might be a completely new character instead of a clone of Falcon. On the other hand, I could see Sakurai wanting to leave a few characters out to make Melee unique to the Smash Bros. Series because it was the only game to have these characters instead of it just being "how Smash Bros was during that time." User:Zojo 13:12, 30 March 2007

[edit] "Great Fray"?

I didn't see any discussion or source for the change from "Great Battle Smash Brothers" to "Great Fray Smash Brothers". Is it an obvious enough change and I'm just missing something? They seem functionally similar to me (correct me if I'm wrong on this), with "Battle" sounding better subjectively. EpsilonZ 14:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC) They're completely synonymous. I don't know why it was ever changed. My guess is that someone put it through babelfish, which makes it "great fray", but babelfish is not a very good translater. 199.126.137.209 18:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GDC

Does anybody know if they're revealing anything about the game at GDC 2007? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.113.186.64 (talk) 01:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

It could be possible. I hope so anyway. 75.84.185.89 03:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pikachu lies, more lies and damn lies!

This was covered before here, but it seems someone has changed it yet again. Although Pikachu has appeared in every *major* Pokémon game so far, he (it?) hasn't appeared "in every Pokémon video game made to date". As the aforementioned link... mentions... There were several e-Reader and Pokémon mini games that did not include Pikachu. 71.124.42.16 06:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone care?...

Well, this detail instantly requires us to change the sentence into "Pikachu has appeared in just about every Pokémon video game made to date". A minor necessity, IMO. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 18:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
If you can even consider the e-Reader and Pokémon mini games to be real games to begin with. - DisasterKirby 18:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Regardless if *you* feel that the e-Reader and mini games are "real", they are, in fact, quite real (and some of the e-Reader ones are actually pretty fun). I don't think it's a big deal or anything, but I do think this particular line would be better phrased "Pikachu has appeared in every major Pokémon video game made to date." - just to be accurate. That is what we strive for, n'est ce-pas? 71.124.42.16 03:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I second that. The e-reader games and minigames are not canon, so they should not be considered. "Major" Games is a good alternative. Quatreryukami 13:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging

The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
I've deleted the article Super Smash Bros Brawl release date, because 1) The release date isn't official yet, and 2) the release date of a game doesn't need a seperate article. –Llama mantalkcontribs 17:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

So...about merging this article about the release date...

Oppose: the article in question doesn't even need to exist, let alone be merged into here. EB Games doesn't even have this March 10th-March 20th release date. It says June 1st, which even then probably isn't right. -Sukecchi 11:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Oppose: Without a verifiable source, the other article isn't even worthy of being posted; "I heard it from so and so" is not proof. -- VederJuda 11:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Opvpose: This article should be deleted than merged, we really don't have a solid date yet. OBEY STARMAN 15:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Oppose: no verifyable sources, etc, etc, see all above oppose arguements. Quatreryukami 16:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Oppose: yeah, what they said. grapħıte_elbowβ 16:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Oppose: There's a Release date article??? Delete it! --HeroicJay 17:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


[edit] Release Date Information from the 2007 Game Developers Conference

When Nintendo announced its second quarter game release schedule at the 2007 Game Developers Conference, Super Smash Brothers Brawl was not included indicating it will not be released until at least quarter three 2007. Nintendo also indicated that the first North American game to utilize the Wii's internet functionality would be Pokemon Battle Revolution. Nintendo has long asserted that it intends to incorporate internet play into Super Smash Brothers Brawl. As a result, Brawl will not be released before Battle Revolution which is currently set to reach North American shelves on June 25.° The exact release date, however, remains open to speculation.

Analysis taken with permission from [1]www.zappayowyow.iwarp.com facts confirmed at [2] www.ign.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.74.229.123 (talk) 20:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
Its repetitive information like this that makes this page so long. Its not coming out until Q4. I've been saying that since last year. FMF|contact 21:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
November is a very likely time. Powerslave (talk-contribs) 23:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
This website's release date seems to be credible (3rd one down): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=GSULAV3SCQFV5KC4D3MFAFY?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=wii&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=y&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960 12.206.235.170 19:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Read the FAQ. Dancter 19:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ganondorf at IMDB

It has been announced at IDMB that Ganondorf will appear in SSBB. Also it has been stated by Takashi Nagasako (the voice of Ganondorf in SSBM) that he has been asked to voice him again in Brawl.

IMDB is not an accurate source, we really don't know if Ganondorf will be in it, though most likely, read the FAQ please. OBEY STARMAN 13:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of wifi section.

If a section is only one sentance long, I'd say that it should be deleted and merged into another section. --Bentendo24 21:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

i entirely agree dalbano13 22:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Maybe it could be merged into the introduction? Might not be the best place, but I don't see any other appropriate sections. –Llama mantalkcontribs 22:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic subsection?

With all that "Sonic talk" from the media, etc should there be a subsection or at least the use of this:

Sonic references

There is (or was the last time I checked) a lot just about him. Should that information on him even stay there or be deleted? Should it stay the way it is (or was the last time I checked) unless he is announced? FMF|contact 22:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It's Brawl related, so it should stay. But I do agree on the subsection idea.

EDIT: My other suggestions are "Sonic Rumors" or something like. By the way, when has this become an issue? It wasn't an issue before, so why is it now? magiciandude 22:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I decided to make a subsection currently titled "Most Requested Third Party Character". I know it isn't the best name right now, but at least it's a subesection. Thanks for the suggestion FullMetal! ^_^ magiciandude 23:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I take that back, I changed it into a subsection of inclusion of characters and just named Sonic the Hedgehog just to make it simple. Sorry for all the edits that are deemed unneccessary, I just wanted to avoid a possible arguement making the solution to the problem a lot easier. Thanks again for the suggestion FMF. magiciandude 23:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] adds

I reverted a release date and posted a note at the top of the page saying that release dates are not to be posted unless they are official. Please check the history and tell me if I did the right thing! Quatreryukami 13:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I expanded it a little, but it looks good. You did the right thing =) JackSparrow Ninja 22:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

Um, I'm new here and don't know a lot. But, shouldn't you put a section on rumors and speculated characters in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dylan Uzumaki (talk • contribs) 18:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

No We talked about it before Wikipedia is only for information that has factual proof that is the reason why we have sonic because even people from nintendo have expressed info if you manage to break into nintendo and find the information for other characters I'd suggest putting them here but I would not suggest breaking into NintendoMarioman12 18:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay but all you say in the Sonic subsection is that you don't know who has permission to put Sonic in the game. So I don't see the harm in putting a speculation section in until we know all the facts. Dylan Uzumaki 22:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

No, no, no, no, and no. No Speculation Section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl/FAQ#Possible_Characters_List
Sonic has been talked about, so therefore he can be here, but no speculation of characters what so ever. Period, end of discussion. -Sukecchi 22:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

People this is an unreleased game.There is nothing wrong with a rumors and speculation section Dylan Uzumaki 23:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Please remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Sorry but no speculation. Happy Editing! YuanchosaanSalutations! 23:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we have already agreed that this page won't have any speculation on it. BassxForte 23:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Characters

Ridley, Windwaker Link, & Bowser JR. are in Ice Climbers, MR. Game & Watch, & Young Link are out Link is [3] Dylan Uzumaki 22:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This news is ancient and unconfirmed, what is their source? -Sukecchi 23:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I deleted "confirmed information" about Sonic and Bowser Jr. that was also very poorly written. 64.228.150.33 15:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archived

I've archived this page until the section "Archive This Page!" :) I have also added the template {{WikiProjectBanners}}, but since a number of Wikipedians disagree with hiding WikiProject banners, feel free to remove this template. Happy editing, S.D. 15:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Many gracias to thee Powerslave (talk-contribs) 02:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
De nada. :D Cheers, S.D. 03:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you!!--Linkmasta 12:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Could Miyamoto want Sonic because of this?

This article was posted two years, but it talks about Naka talking with Miyamoto about making a game with Mario and Sonic in it. [4] I'm currently searching in the Internet to see what the "secret conversation" was. magiciandude 16:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

It was about putting Sonic in Mario Kart DS, it never happened. I bet it was all a rumor. OBEY STARMAN 13:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Halberd image

This is totally trivial, but at this point only trivial matters remain to be discussed about this article, pretty much. The image of the Halberd was taken off the smashbros site, and as of recently the Upload File screen states "Do not upload files from websites or an image search engine. They will be deleted." Assuming it's better to take snapshots of trailers ourselves and upload them in fair-use website images' places, does anyone think it's better if there's an image of the Halberd stage as it was seen near the end of the second trailer, with the other characters like Snake and Zero Suit Samus battling on it and the Halberd ship flying off to the right in the background? Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 20:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is an actual stage, so I wouldn't see why not...Gamloverks 20:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] E3

When is E3? Ultimate Life Form 22:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

E3 >_> JackSparrow Ninja 00:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Electronic Entertainment Expo or E3, is a gaming show that most companies attend. OBEY STARMAN 11:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but he asked when is E3, not what is E3!! ;) - NP Chilla 12:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't E3 shut down, with last year being the last one?--Viridistalk|contributions 15:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The E3 article states that E3 will be held July 11 - 13 in 2007.
Isn't this considered forum-like discussion anyway? - DisasterKirby 16:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
To be frank, I expect Brawl will be fully revealed in playable form at this E3, so that's when the article can finally be rewritten. In two months it will be the one-year annversary of the reveal of the first trailer, which was at the previous E3 in a May, though in this year's case we'd have to wait 3 and a half months before this one in July. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 16:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

thx dudes! Mr. Arnold Jellybean Shwartzineger Jr. 21:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mario and Sonic in The Olympic Games

I added some info on this, the game has spurred much interest about Sonic being a character on SSBB, much more than any previous quotes. Many fans think it is a positive sign for Sonic being in the game. But it was removed and labelled vandalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl&diff=118531528&oldid=118514427

I really think this is worth including, it's a far more positive sign for Sonic being in the game than any previous info. Doesn't everyone think it should be included? My description may have been a bit vague, but regardless, calling it vandalism is definately harsh. I'm not 14 years old.Philtrauferson 15:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well considering that "Mario and Sonic in the Olympic Games" is entirely fictional (unless you have any real proof on it), I'd say that it was labeled accordingly. - DisasterKirby 15:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Um, okay, maybe it isn't fictional. My bad. - DisasterKirby 16:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Either way its not needed as all it is once again is fan speculation. FMF|contact 16:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, until this becomes more clear, I say delete every mention of it, until we have a consensus of what this means~sdhonda

Heh, no hard feelings DisasterKirby. It seems like a pretty strange idea for a game, I can see why you thought it was fake. I think that this collaboration shows that Nintendo and Sega are willing to discuss, and have been discussing putting Sonic with Nintendo characters. Combined with fact that Sonic in SSBB is heavily desired by fans, I see no reason why Sega nor Nintendo would stop him being there. I think it's worth a mention at least, but if that's not the majority vote I don't mind. It's not that important. Philtrauferson 18:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I am shocked! Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games is an actual game being developed for Wii... Well then, as per verifiability guidelines, let's not even mention it in this article unless Sakurai makes mention of it on his Dojo site or something. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 18:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Would a note at the end of the Sonic section specifying against adding speculation based on this game be of some need? Someone has already tried to add the info again, and we all know that it'll happen at least a few more times... - DisasterKirby 00:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It is not worth mentioning because they have not said anything about Brawl. Not only that, but maybe they are making that game because it's possible that Sonic isn't appearing at this game at all and they are making it up for the fans. I'm not saying that's the case (in fact, I, myself, don't want that to be the situation), but who knows? magiciandude 02:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, some quotes for the game do imply that this will be Sonic and Mario's first game together. If Sonic was going to appear in Brawl (which, hopefully, will be coming out sooner than the Holiday season) they might have worded things a bit differently. Not to say that this is absolute proof of anything, but the thought does come to mind... Inkmonkeywoodis 12:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well! As magiciandude has illustrated, when a subject like this olympic game occurs and can be interpreted in opposite ways (Sonic in Olympics means Sonic in Brawl! vs. Sonic in Olympics means Sonic is not in Brawl!), it's all the more reason not to mention it as part of the article. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 16:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

and Philtrauferson, don't insult the 14 yr olds ;) Docta D in the House, yo! 21:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with magiciandude, since it has absolutely nothing to do with Brawl. It belongs no where in this page Minirogue 01:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Observation in Stages

Can we add things we see in the official trailers for the game. I notice that on the stage with the exterior of the castle you could see what looks like flaming arrows being shot across the stage and Samus possibly being hit by one. Can you guys add this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zojo (talk • contribs) 17:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

No, because it's speculation. -Sukecchi 17:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic "not in the cards right now" ?!

Wow...what do you guys make of this? Is Sega and Nintendo compensating for Sonic not being in Brawl by making the Olympic game? Or are they just trying to keep a secret? I had no doubt that Sonic would be included in Brawl, but now...ehh...the jury's out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zojo (talk • contribs) 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC). By the by, if this is too much like forum talk and you all don't consider this a forum, sorry for question. You guys are...uhh...smarter than most people in forums.

I was of the same mindset that the evidence was ultra-strong for Sonic being in Brawl. However, the statement that Sonic is "not in the cards right now" and that they "haven't even started to think about" any more games containing both Sonic and Mario makes it sound pretty clear that it's not happening. I know some fans have debated what was meant by this point, but I feel it's just wishful thinking. The meaning is incredibly clear. The only possible point of contention is that, well, we're talking about a big cheese at Nintendo's Europe division. Maybe he doesn't know the full story that Japan knows. --Bishop2 14:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right. Just wishful thinking at this point. It's still a shock, though. I thought the only way Sonic would not be in Brawl is if someone at Sega strongly protested this or if they just made the descision on including the hedgehog too late in production. --User:Zojo 12:50, 30 March 2007

Well, now there's a new interview about Mario & Sonic at the Olympics which once again implies that Sonic may INDEED be in Brawl... should we figure out a way to work this into the sonic section? http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15630 - --Bishop2 22:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
My guess is that Sakurai doesn't want neither Nintendo or Sega to say anything about Sonic being in Brawl as they would be Brawl news, and I think he wants to release some more Brawl news on the day he feels he's ready. magiciandude 22:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VGCats Reference

Dunno if you guys wanna put it in the article, but Scott Ramsoomair over at VG Cats made a reference to Pit being in the game, but there really isn't any chance of it being about Brawl. The comic was done in 2002, I believe, but it's still interesting. Link to the comic itself Avatarian86 02:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Not important. -Sukecchi 11:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link and his sword-holding

Would it be okay if I added that Link would be holding the Master Sword in his left hand, as opposed to the Wii version of Twilight Princess, or would it not matter? Lightwing1988 03:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The only reason he appears right-handed in the Wii version of TP is because the entire map and all the characters were mirrored, so unless Brawl is going to be flipped at the last second, it doesn't seem all that relevant to me. --Sparky Lurkdragon 03:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Not necessary. -Sukecchi 11:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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