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[edit] Other links from merged article

These were also linked in the merged article April 3 1974 tornado, but this many seemed excessive. I can't access the files from here, so I also didn't want to add them without seeing them. If someone else wants to add these in, feel free. Joyous 01:02, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Tornado myths

As far as the listing that talks about opening windows being a waste of time - shouldn't the focus on this myth be on the fact that buildings don't actually explode during a tornado, but rather implode? --Cholmes75 14:48, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

These myths should be merged with Tornado myths. -Charlie

Agreed. Also, the inferred linkage between this outbreak and La Niña is itself a myth. Evolauxia 23:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't disagree--I was in the heart of the Xenia tornado, so I don't cotton to myth-making about it--but if the La Nina connection is a myth, and you can back that up (or if you want to wiki-challenge it for lack of sources) why don't you delete it?--Buckboard 22:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Windspeed in infobox

All tornado infoboxes should have maximum windspeed removed; it is pseudoscientific and unencyclopedic.

It's totally unjustified and not something that should be perpetuated by Wikipedia or any encyclopedia. Ask a NWS meteorologist if they really can say that those exact speeds are known and they would say no. NSSL, SPC, researchers, Fujita, Grazulis, etc. would tell you the same and it is very well reflected in the literature. Given that *some* NWS offices do unfortunately post this information, here a couple of authoritative online sources in support of my position:

http://www.srh.weather.gov/jetstream/mesoscale/tornado.htm "The F-scale is to be used with great caution. Tornado wind speeds are still largely unknown; and the wind speeds on the F-scale have never been scientifically tested and proven. Different winds may be needed to cause the same damage depending on how well-built a structure is, wind direction, wind duration, battering by flying debris, and a bunch of other factors."

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/#f-scale1 "Tornado wind speeds are still largely unknown; and the wind speeds on the original F-scale have never been scientifically tested and proven. Different winds may be needed to cause the same damage depending on how well-built a structure is, wind direction, wind duration, battering by flying debris, and a bunch of other factors. Also, the process of rating the damage itself is largely a judgment call -- quite inconsistent and arbitrary (Doswell and Burgess, 1988). Even meteorologists and engineers highly experienced in damage survey techniques often came up with different F-scale ratings for the same damage."

"So if the original F-scale winds are just guesses, why are they so specific? Excellent question. Those winds were arbitrarily attached to the damage scale based on 12-step mathematical interpolation between the hurricane criteria of the Beaufort wind scale, and the threshold for Mach 1 (738 mph). Though the F-scale actually peaks at F12 (Mach 1), only F1 through F5 are used in practice, with F0 attached for tornadoes of winds weaker than hurricane force. Again, F-scale wind-to-damage relationships are untested, unknown and purely hypothetical. They have never been proven and may not represent real tornadoes. F-scale winds should not be taken literally."

No doubt wonderful sources. However, there was nothing hypothetical or debatable about the extent and size of the destruction in Xenia. It was F-5 (or EF-5), one mile wide through the heart of a city, any way you look at it. It took a diesel locomotive--one quarter of a million pounds--lifted it up and turned it over. That is no myth--I saw it with my own eyes.--Buckboard 22:06, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tornado list

I'm currently starting the list of the tornadoes (at least the main ones) for this event. Of, course I will need a bit of help to get some of the details. --JForget 20:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I've created an individual page for the list so to avoid making a very lengthy page, but I will wait a few days before removing what it has done, so to be sure if the other page won't be slated for deletion - i doubt.--JForget 18:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To put the sections of individual tornadoes in the parent article? (SURVEY)

Let's do a little survey here to see whether or not we can put the sections on individual tornadoes that are currently under the Super Outbreak tornadoes article to the main Super Outbreak article as to improve that one and possibly putting as a featured article in the future as it would probably make sense to have the parent article be a featured article rather then the one with a long list of tornadoes. That would also eliminate the factor of conflicted/disputed data between the NOAA and other individual websites on the Outbreak if we put the tornado description sections into the Super Outbreak article.

So do you agree or disagree as to put the sections on some of the individual tornadoes (Xenia, Tanner, Lousiville, Brandenburg, etc) to the Super Outbreak page. --JForget 23:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death toll

I know this is quite long - but I've made a table representing the death tolls per county. I've put in the tornado descriptions portion so it will no not interfere with any other boxes.--JForget 00:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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