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Archives Archive 2003-2006

Contents 1 SNES & S.N.E.S 2 PAL slowdown 3 Blue Collar Americanism.... 4 Corrected several errors about the name of the system.

[edit] SNES & S.N.E.S

Prehaps mention could be made of the fact that SNES can either be pronounced as a word (Rhyming with Pez) or as the letters S.N.E.S. I may be mistaken, but everyone I've spoken to in the UK uses the word, whereas everyone in America I've spoken to uses the letters. 81.137.159.61 14:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

as there's been no objections, added a small note about this 81.106.203.120 04:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I think we'd need a source for that, frankly. I'm an American, but my friends and I always referred to it as "s-ness." In any case, this really doesn't seem all that encyclopedic, as it's pretty much standard for a lot of unofficial acronyms. – Sean Daugherty (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I think some mention would be useful: this can be a confusing point when someone uses a pronunciation of the word SNES (Which I've now discovered can be pronounced one of several ways)

hardly the best source, I know, but a few interesting discussion on the subject: http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25234640&union_id=177 - interestingly, the say Gamespot UK Uses the word.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/39309975/m/115007122831

http://digg.com/hardware/Overclocking_an_SNES

It is a point of contention, and as such, I think it's worth a mention. I Propose putting back the comment about using it either as a word or acronym, but leaving the phonetics out81.149.182.210 00:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PAL slowdown

This article, along with others on Wikipedia, says that PAL games are 17.5% slower than NTSC ones. Is this number actually correct? It would seem to me that it should be 16.67% slower (or, to put it another way, NTSC is 20% faster). I know that a lot of magazines have quoted 17.5% for years, and it's become an "accepted" value, but I've never seen any actual justification for the figure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jsutherland (talk • contribs) 12:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

I think it's just 50Hz divided by 60Hz... this gives a figure of 83.33%, i.e. 50Hz is 17.67% slower than 60Hz. But 60Hz is indeed 20% faster than 50Hz - they're just reciprocals.

Another point I wanted to add is that I'm not entirely convinced by the text that says the PAL version Super Mario Kart was speeded up to match the NTSC 60Hz versions. Simply because it was impossible to compete with the fastest times being publishes in Japanese and American magazines if you were running a PAL copy of the game. Is there a source/reference backup up the viewpoint that the PAL version *was* speeded up?

100-83.33 is 16.67, not 17.67, which is why I think the 17.5% figure is just wrong. I'm not sure about Mario Kart, either. I knew a couple of people who played the game a lot, one with the NTSC version and the other with the PAL one, and neither of them could play the other version because, they claimed, the timings were different. That doesn't mean the PAL game wasn't sped up, but it would at least suggest that they're not identical. Jsutherland 09:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Collar Americanism....

Isn't the Sega Genesis also a Japanese system? Why then would Americans be anti-Nintendo? Nintendo held a cult like status in the USA. I remember the console wars well but I had more friends with SNES systems than Genesis systems. I know that "my friends" are not a valid source, but the entire paragraph speaking of an anti Japanese backlash on behalf of the Blue Collar American people does not cite it's sources either. It makes no sense to me because the Sega Genesis was also Japanese. That and also because the median age for video game players during the era of Genesis and SNES was so young, that I have a hard time seeing me and my elementary school friends bickering about class warfare and USA vs Japanese consumer products when we'd have arguments over which of the two consoles we thought was better. It was usually more of a Sonic vs Mario type argument.

Of course this is all assumption based on memory. As I recall, it was children who where their main demographic. Why would children care what country their video game system came from? And if someone did, why would they buy any 16 bit console, since it looks to me like all of them where in fact made in Japan by Japanese companies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.81.252.86 (talk) 14:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Corrected several errors about the name of the system.

1. Deleted Katakana and Romaji versions of "Super Nintendo Entertainment System", they weren't necessary, it's not known as that in Japan and they made the first paragraph difficult to read. (1st Paragraph)

2. Corrected "Super Family Computer". While one might think so because the Original NES was officially the Family Computer, the SNES was officially the "Super Famicom" not "Super Family Computer". (1st Paragraph)

3. Corrected "Famicom" to "Family Computer" and added katakana for it. (2nd paragraph)

ExpatJApan 06:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)