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[edit] Article to cluttered?

Everytime I check on this article, I always think it's to cluttered. The things that seem to stick out are the Awards listing in the intro and the trivia section. Also either the Half Hour and All Killer and Infected? sections need to be expanded or the Chuck and Future albums needs to be condensed. DrewD007 23:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Genres

I don't really think any of the current genres listed(Punk rock, skate punk, punk metal, grunge punk) save punk rock fit Sum 41. In my opinion I'd list them as Punk rock, pop punk or punk pop, pop rock or soft rock, rock, and metal.--DrewD007 02:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Somewhat agree with you. Though punk rock shouldn't be included. I've taken it out for now. Gold Stur 02:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
There Punk-pop revival in my oppinion, through and through... and they should have no reference to grunge at all in there genres, no simalaritys

- Sum 41 according to their own official My Space [1] they refer themselves as Punk, Rock and Alternative while in their Purevolume official site [2] it is stated that they are Punk, Rock and Metal. So I'm not gonna edit nothing but I think that in the genres seccion they should be referenced as Punk Rock, Alternative Rock and Metal. Maybe changing the Punk Rock for Pop-Punk but not delete the other genres.... 201.223.45.154 22:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Let´s face this:

half hour of power is a pop-punk album with some heavy metal in the instrumental songs.

all killer no filler is definitely pop-punk

does this look infected find sum 41 moving away from pop-punk to heavist songs. is an album with pop punk/punk/hard rock/metal songs.

chuck is metal/rock

Actually id call chuck punk metal if there was such a thing

pop-punk, alternative rock and metal works fine as 201.223.45.154 suggested. pop-punk must be included because half of their songs are in this genre. i suggest rock instead of alternative but the above list works fine for me.

they´re absolutely not skatepunk nor grunge

pitoresco 18:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

does anyone else think that sum 41 and hawthorne heights sound a little alike? i would classify them under pop punk, alt rock, definetly not metal. you do know that most of the time, purevolume sites created for bands are often created by fans instead. like the original nickelback purevolume page was a fan created page, and he/she put them down as rock/alternative/metal. i would also classify them as perhaps melodic hardcore, punk, and...yeah. i'm really hesitant about alt-metal, since i'm a big fan of alt-metal, and they just don't fit in too well. they sound nothing like a perfect circle or tool, and nothing like other alt-metal/hard rock bands. it's like calling hawthorne heights alt-metal. Itachi1452 02:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Songs like the Bitter End, Mr. Amsterdam, and the middle of 88, sound pretty "metalish" to me. *shrugs* DrewD007 19:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


my opinion is just based on...well, my opinion. ;)

they were pop punk in the 2 first albuns, but they began to change to a heaviest sond.

alternative rock is ok, but they really have "metalish" songs,not just in the riffs, but in the lyrics and vocals, so what can we say? metal is iron maiden and metallica , hardcore is strike anywhere or black flag, hard rock is ac/dc... so i´m saying that sometimes we can´t list bands doing comparisons...

after all, i suggest hard rock or alternative metal plus pop punk / alt. rock

pitoresco 13:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hardcore? Is this a joke?

Whoever claims that Sum 41's later work is in anyway related to hardcore punk is sorely mistaken. I'm sure you heard it off MTV, and just decided to add it. Actually listen to some hardcore first.


someone added again hardcore punk. i´m open to discuss alt.metal and punk rock, but the hardcore listing is stupid.

pitoresco 17:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

hmm, i kinda agree. more like melodic hardcore. the fact that he yells shows the hardcore side. Itachi1452 02:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk

Is this original work? -- Zoe

Yeah, this is the original work about Sum 41 -- Michael

You didn't steal it from some other source? You wrote it all yourself, even with your limited English capability? -- Zoe

Skeptical... All of this information about your bans, aliases, and uses of proxy servers... your reliable side exists just as much as bigfoot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.Killerrobotdude 21:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


Sum 41's plans on releasing the fifth album have been stated by Deryck and Cone, although they seem to contradict one another. Cone maintains that they plan on recording their 5th album at various points in 2006 for an early 2007 release. Deryck seems to say that the new album will be recorded mid 2006 for a late 2006 release. - I think that's not contradictory. Late 2006 and early 2007 are almost the same and stuff is sketchy when recording albums plus these are prolly from two dif interviews and dif times in the recording process. Subject to removal?

I removed the bit about King of the hill, because I couldn't figure out what it meant, as well as "realeasing hits and conquering international air waves in 2001 with "Fat Lip". Today they have performed with world-renowned rock stars, they themselves becoming prominent figures in the international rock scene." Because it seems to vastly overstate their popularity. They're a big band, but this article made it sound like they're the biggest band in the world right now, and they're simply not. Tuf-Kat 21:10, Dec 19, 2003 (UTC)

Are you sure these guys are Californian? Aren't they Canadian?

Sum 41 are Candian. They're from Ajax, Ontario. - Houdinger

Sum 41 Group Added http://groups.msn.com/sum41zone

Not everything in this world is American..

Hair Metal? Some backing for this claim please.

You haven't heard of "Pain for Pleasure"?

Some reference to Closet Monster would be useful

I knew both bands circa 1997 when they played the Chameleon Cafe, and what is there to say other than there used to be a huge rivalry between the two bands (and I honestly thought Mark Spicoluk Aka Spic) left the band earlier since he was playing for Closet Monster. And then just about everyone from Closet Monster had the chance to play with Avril Lavigne either in videos or on tour, and then Avril married Deryck from Sum 41. --Waterspyder 01:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Unoriginal?

I have a question, should the article adress the accusations that Sum 41 is very unoriginal and/or rips off other songs? I've seen this countless times on the internet and I myself have even been able to pick out stuff from "Chuck" and "Does This Look Infected?" that is nearly a carbon copy of earlier songs from other bands. If anything, it would be fun to make a list of Sum 41 songs and the songs that they rip off.

It may be fun, but Wikipedia is not about fun. Check WP:NOT.--Zingazin 17:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I've seen somewhere on the net that pieces bears a resemblance to the scientist by coldplay. I found a track of them played over each other, they do sound very similar. Deaths_hand 10:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yep, it can be found on the song's article.--Zingazin 18:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Half Hour of Power not an album?

Why is Half Hour of Power only considered an EP when it's 11 tracks and 29:55 long? I've seen albums that are that size or smaller. Even All Killer No Filler is barely bigger than that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joltman (talk • contribs) 19:08, 2 May 2006.

As explained on the article for EP:
  • An extended play or EP, is typically the name given to vinyl records or CDs which are too long to be called singles but too short to qualify as albums.
  • By giving the release a unique name (as opposed to it being named after the lead track on the CD) the band can garner more attention for the other tracks on the CD.
  • The term EP is also sometimes applied to compact discs with short playing times. However, since a CD can carry any amount of material up to around 80 minutes, the distinction between a CD EP and a short CD LP is somewhat arbitrary and is based on artistic and marketing factors.
If you are interested in this topic, you should visit its article. You made me wonder why it is like this too ;).-Zingazin 21:53, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I understand what the difference is supposed to be between an album and an EP, but it seems to me like 11 songs at about 30 minutes is more than an EP. I've seen albums shorter than this EP, such as CVA (album) by Paint It Black which is only 18:33, but it's an album. Granted, it has 17 tracks. I guess my question is, was it decided to be an EP by someone here, or does the band refer to it as such? Joltman 12:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that it is referred to as an EP. Anyway, I'll look sources for you.-Zingazin 03:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

This is not an Ep. The only EP the band has release is the Motivation EP. Plus, it's just as long as Does this look infected? and i can't find one place that refers to it as an EP. The band's website does not refer to it as an EP, while refering to the motivation EP as an EP [3].

[edit] Dave Leaving

Since Dave is leaving, are they going to make the next cd without him or will they replace him with another guitarist?--Martin925 20:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

They will continue making the next album without him, but when they go on tour they will hire an unemployed punk to play with them on stage. Scotteh 14:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Alt. Metal

Can someone please tell me how Sum 41 is alternative metal??? that really doesn't make any sense they are a pop punk/punk rock band. I might just delete that metal genre I don't get where u came up with that. Bill102 13:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok someeone put the genre back up. Please don't until you tell me why you think that they are part Alt. Metal. I am deleting it again. Bill102 20:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thet are pop punk, alternative and punk. I like actually buy the CDs you know... --198.54.202.254 07:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Works for me. I've added it to the page. Cedars 07:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

You people are stupid, don't you get what alternative metal is. It is just like alternative is to regular rock, a little bit softer. Can you really disagree that The Bitter End and Still Waiting are metal. Metal means Hard rock, got it?! User:APACOlypse27 Peace Out

This makes no sense, I am deleting the alternative metal references. See list of alternative metal artists or the alternative metal article for more on alternative metal. Search Google with "alternative metal" and "Sum 41" and you'll see that the label is rarely applied to Sum 41 in comparison to the labels "pop punk", "alternative" and "punk". Cedars 23:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Metal is hard rock alright

you guys are stupid who say that they're alt-metal. seriously, a perfect example of alt-metal is a perfect circle, and they sound nothing alike. also, metal does not equal hard rock. there's a difference. metal is more of a subgenre kinda, but for example,you can tell a metal bass riff from a hard rock bass riff. there's more of a thrash feel to it, and not just that, it's the comparison of notes. STILL WAITING IS NOT ALT-METAL. IT'S POPPUNK/PUNK ROCK. it's nowhere like alt-metal. you don't know what alt-metal is then. if you want a good comparison of alt-metal bands to it, listen to soad, chevelle, 10 years, Tool, a perfect circle, breaking benjamin, godsmack, taproot, or cold. Itachi1452 02:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hmmm..

... according to the Noel Gallagher article, the band "printed Gallagher's comments regarding them — "I'm just glad I lived long enough to hear the shittiest band ever" — on their official website". Perhaps it might be worthwhile including this fact? - Ta bu shi da yu 23:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I think if someone was to be researching the band, and used Wikipaedia as source, it would be noteworthy to mention this. --Scotteh 14:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Record Label

Has Sum 41 swithed label's? It kinda looks like they're a main stay on Aquarius Records [4].


[edit] Sum 41 New Album

Some Anon told me that sum 41's album is to be released before the end of the year, Also me and my mate saw in a local rock magazine that one song was confirmed called "Subject To Change". Note: Subject To Change was a chuck japan bonus track the version for the new album will sound diffrent around the chorus part of the song.

I again heard that it won't be released until the northern summer of 2007, which is May I think... 2007 --Adriaan90 21:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, every website i have been on has "2007" release so i think its along time till we see the album in stock. That Anon goof has no idea

[edit] November 29 MTV Interview

[5]

That have some important info about their recent activities and the Chuck era, I don't have time right now but it would be usefull if someone include this information on future editions of the article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.223.44.147 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Genre

I see that this has been adressed before, however there is still a lot of changes going on with the genre that I have seen as of lately. So my question is what is considered the genres and subgenres of Sum 41? I would like to know what to rv and what to keep or add. It would be nice to get some sort of consensus since the genre is constantly changing.  Orfen User Talk | Contribs 00:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sum 41'S Genre

They say rock/punk/alternative(myspace) and punk/rock/metal (purevolume) but don't forget that every pop punk band try to resist the pop punk tag.They are not hard rock or post grunge so i change it.They are a pop punk band with punk rock , metal and pop rock songs too.So leave it.But don't change pop punk from the first because half of their songs are pop punk and their new album is going to be more pop punk so leave it.Please don't put post-grunge.Post-grunge is 3 Doors Down and Nickelback not Sum 41. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Punkpop101 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

It's hard to tell, but Sum 41 claimed themselves has Rock but not Punk, they don't like the style (Old interview, in the time of Does this look... if I rememeber well)

[edit] Chuck Pelletier is from Victoria, BC Canada FYI!!!

According to Here Magazine: http://www.herenb.com/moncton/issues/0206/sum41.html

The band was in the Democratic Republic of the Congo to film a documentary for War Child Canada. The first few days were spent in the town of Bukavu (the tourist capital of the Congo) interviewing ex-child soldiers of the past civil war which claimed more then three million lives, people imprisoned in jails, UN Peace Keepers and others. At the hotel, they met Chuck Pelletier from Victoria, British Columbia. Pelletier was an ex-Canadian soldier who had retired and was in the Congo as a volunteer working with the UN.

I'm quite happy someone from my town saved Sum 41, WERD!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.136.220 (talk) 04:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

Bizzy looks like Sid Vicious,IMO.--69.113.131.124 22:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Guitarist

>>>>They now have two touring guitarists named Nico Stephenson and Fritz Fauzherman (also on backing vocals). <<<<

Wheres this from and who put it on? Musicslave 00:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Punk

They're Pop Punk, and nothing more. Don't add anymore genres. Inhumer 19:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Post hardcore

How are they post hardcore? DavidJJJ 09:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What the heck?

Where's all the information? All there is is a screwed up code attempt! -The White'N'Nerdy dude —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.242.167.186 (talk) 00:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

I removed the part about the new ablum being called Underclass hero since the ablum name hasn't been confrimed yet. Someone probably got it mixed up with the new single when writing.

Who the heck is listing the new album as Underclass Hero? That is the name of the single, NOT the album. The album title is as of yet unconfirmed. Whoever's doing this, please stop. I'm sick of fixing that act of vandalism.

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