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[edit] music sampler
There was a "music sampler" - the relevant article was redirected here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by MyRedDice (talk • contribs) on 26 April 2003.
[edit] Map
There is a good map in the de-Wikipedia waiting :-) 82.83.18.196 21:20, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] to be checked
this edit [1] reads
- there is one more tribe which is not mentioned and it [Jorshul]which resides in Bahr Al Gazal region.
In the Politics section there was random text thrown in, and I have edited it out. However I think a modifying phrase or set of words may be missing from the desription of the regional governors of the country. The possibly missing words are indicated by a series of dashes. --Smithgrrl 07:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Improvement Drive
The article on Acholi language is currently nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. If you can contribute or want it to be improved, you can vote for this article there.--Fenice 16:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
Should this article realy use the term "Negroid"? I was understanding that that term is inappropriate in all contexts.
I am doing a report on Sudan. I can't find anything on Sudan child education anywere. Can someone help me out? Thanks.
[edit] Sudan under Egypt
the following line to precede the paragraph dealing with the rising of the Mahdi.
In 1820, Sudan came under Egyptian rule when Mehemet Ali, the Ottoman viceroy of Egypt sent armies under his son Ismail Pasha and Mahommed Bey to conquer eastern Sudan.
--Doldrums 10:45, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] time question
hey guys i am doing a report on sudan and i was reading time zones and i got stuck. what does UTC mean? can you help me?thx.
- UTC is is an acronym for Coordinated Universal Time, which roughly approximates the old Greenwich Mean Time that was given up in 1972. - BanyanTree 00:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "War has Ended?"
Ah.... under the Darfur Civil War, it says the Janjaweed Militias have disbanded and the war is over.
No, its not, there are still militias and still a lot of killing. Who wrote this?
[edit] Modern History and governments
I tried to correct parts of the page, but so many facts were incorrect. In particular, the paragraph "From 1983 to 1997, the country was divided into five regions in the north and three in the south, each headed by a military governor. After the April 6, 1985 military coup, regional assemblies were suspended. The RCC was abolished in 1996, and the ruling National Islamic Front changed its name to the National Congress Party" does not reconcile with the fact that the government was democratic in 1986-1989, which is explained clearly in History of Sudan, see the part about Sadiq al Mahdi. --Karouri 16:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Under History the following sentence reads:
Three ancient tom is the maddest kunt in the world. I have tried to go in and edit this but do not see it listed and therfore believe this text is somehow imbedded or hidden. Can some one please take this out. Let's not be adolescent school kids. If you are not serious about history, or learning, stay out of Wikipedia!! --Brucejr 12:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Also under history is written: "On September 9, 2004 the United States Secretary of State Colin Powell termed the Darfur conflict as a "genocide," because he is an ignorant imperailist pig, acknowledging it as one of the worst humanitarian crises of the 21st century." Italics are my own. KlaftenZhaange 22:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Osama Bin Laden
I don't understand how Osama Bin Laden is considerded part of the history of Sudan? "In 1991 Osama Bin Laden and the al-queda network moved to Sudan. His money, power and construction work projects assisted the president. In 1996 however, he was forcebly expelled and relocated to afghanistan.".
- I concur, this a very western perception of what is relevant, perhaps this would be better suited to a subsection on Terrorism in the foreign relations section. Also valuable to include would be their alleged involvement in the assassination attempt on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia on June 25, 1995 and the bombing of the US embassy. --TuesdayMush 15:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] current events
Hello!? THere's absolutely NOTHING in here about the genocide occuring in Darfur! This article needs attention...unfortnately I don't have the time to fix it now, but I'm hoping someone will. I added a link to darfur conflict.
I agree with the above comment. This really needs to be remedied.
What is the timezone? UTC +2 or +3? The page of Sudan says +2, while the page of Timezone says +3?
[edit] Timezone
What is the timezone? UTC +2 or +3? The page of Sudan says +2, while the page of Timezone says +3?
- UTC +3 (Source: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/)
- Brent Woods 19:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Human Rights
The whole Human rights section is pretty biased. While the Sudanese government does violate various human rights, it is not agreed that they commit genocide and were not found as such by the UN. Torture of priests, concentration camps, etc is wildly beyond imagination, and definitely not happening. It is impossible for the Janjaweed to participate in killing 1.5 million Christians since 1984, as Darfur is a totally Muslim region, even more so than north Sudan.
The paragraph is not verified as well. Not a single citation exists. --Karouri 18:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The entire paragraph seems incredibly biased--no sources cited, either. The UN accelerated the civil war for oil interests? Can this even be proven and even if it can does isn't this paragraph supposed to be on the Sudan's human rights record instead of the influence of other countries in its oil interests? Even if there is a link, it's not spelled out here.
71.196.157.136 06:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I took out the UN stuff because it's both inflamatory and I can't find anything to prove it and replaced it with a couple cursory paragraphs based upon HRW and Amnesty Int'l articles. I didn't touch the last paragraph because I didn't have time to look into it. PLEASE expand this, people.
User:35.638.562.302 March 19, 2007 yeah your paragraph didnt make sense. it sounds like your saying that Muslims wouldnt kill 2 million Christians. that's not true, their whole belief system is based upon their distruction. i dont have any sources to site... but i couldnt just read that and walk away knowing that you were wrong.. ----
[edit] Shigia
Article needs sources. Kappa 01:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The portion about Darfur Conflict
The portion about the Darfur conflict in the bottom seems opiniated... And not so well organized ... Can we discuss that?
- indeed we can - what would you like to discuss? Danlibbo 07:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, the Darfur section stated that the Darfurians are mostly Christian or Animist. This is incorrect; the Darfurians are predominantly Muslim.
Also, it would bring value to the text to ad that the Sahara dessert is spreading to the south. This forces people from the north to move south and consequently causes conflicts with the population already living there.
[edit] Coat of Arms
Why is the picture of the coat of arms really bad? It seems to be fine when viewed by itself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kadoda (talk • contribs) 09:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] arab
When Arab is used,are there any semitic arabs as well in the Sudan?
[edit] Utterly non-neutral
The sections on the histories of the first and second civil wars are completely subjective and seriously lacking in referencing. For example in the first civil war the government was NOT pushing a Salafist agenda, it was pushing a fairly secular (though still highly ethnocentric) policy based on North Sudanese identity. The language in which the whole section is written is amazingly unencylopedic. I am not going to edit or delete anything because I am not a doctrinaire and I am no expert on the subject (although I do know some about it). I am just drawing your attention to the serious problems with this section. It needs a complete rewrite and more vigorous sources. When you write something on Wikipedia, please try to be mature, neutral, and encyclopedic regardless of your ideology. --Karkaron 01:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merging "Languages of Sudan"?
Strong no. Not sure who suggested it or the rationale. In general I would argue for more development of "Languages of ..." articles for African countries, giving an overview of what languages are spoken, history, language policy, language and economy, issues with cross-border languages and so on. It's good there is a stub for Sudan. Talk about how to develop it, not delete it. --A12n 12:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
No. Languages of Sudan is a bit of stub right now, but there is more than enough to talk about to occupy a complete article. Geoff NoNick 14:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sudan is not an arab country
Who ever wrote in the first paragraph that Sudan is the largest 'arab' country by area is a fool.. Arabanized Africans indeed control a lot of the country, but it is in no way an arab country, it's an African country and always has been..Taharqa 18:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
