Talk:Subdrop
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Copyright violation here? This read as a little off so I googled a fragment of it and found http://seekers.org.uk/Sub%20Drop.htm which seems to be identical. Demilio Hell, even if it isn't "Submissives are, in many ways like children" and such talk. Is that right for this kind of project? Demilio
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[edit] Quality?
I'm not sure how to mark this yet, but the quality of this article isn't up to WP standards. It's unfocused, informal, and unformatted. Perhaps I will try to edit it, but I don't know much about the topic.
Clay 03:34, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Broken links/cleanup
I fixed a majority of the broken internal links on this page, but that doesn't deal with the problem that it still looks like a section of a BDSM book. Unfortunately, I'm not an authority on the topic, so fixing the links is about the extent of my abilities here.
Lulltheconqueror 01:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright Issues
There is no copyright issue here as i am the author of the piece, and the owner of the Seekers website too, which i built myself.
However i feel that as there is very little information on WP regards D/s, which subject i do have experience in, I want to make a contribution. So.. help me out here, What do i need to do to make it right guys ?
Paul Knox 16:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] More thoughts...
OK am looking at some other pages.. rewriting the article. May take a few days but will re-post when done if thats ok ?
Paul Knox 18:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Quality?
I think this article may need to be cleaned up. Style of writing does not feel particularly wikipedia-like.
--Andreus 20:35, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Problems and omissions
I see a number of problems with this article. First of all, it presumes that anyone partaking in a BDSM scene is into D/s. This is, quite simply, not the case, and this article ignores everyone who is interested in BDSM kink without the D/s. It would be a simple change, though. Simply replace "Dominant" with "top" and "submissive" with "bottom."
Also, it would most likely be prudent to add an area on avoiding subdrop. As it is a physical, chemical drop, there are physical ways to mitigate it. Proper nutrition and hydration work wonders on the psyche. Including a section on that might be a good idea.
It's also highly biased to assume that subspace is automatically a place all bottoms want to go. Again, that is very much not the case. Some people want subspace. Quite a few other people prefer to avoid it altogether, yet this article seems to ignore that section. Granted, if you don't go into subspace you won't have to worry about subdrop nearly so much, but it would probably still be worth mentioning that avoiding subspace altogether is a valid and worthwhile choice (especially because subspace can actually be harmful for some people, as it is a dissociative state).
[edit] NPOV
This article states what you 'should' and 'should not' do; this is NOT NPOV and most certaintly does not belong in an encyclopedia. This article sounds as if it were from a BDSM promo page.Fatalserpent 05:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
==Neutrality==
"subs are irrational little children who need to be looked after all the time" I am sorry say this , but i have too. I am a Collared Sub , and I am not irrational little child whom need anyone to watch over me at all. As i see Sub and slave both are need in order to make the live those who are Dom(s) better and if there where no Sub or slave within the BDSM there would be no Dom(s) to speak of at all. At times Dom coulds Be see as the children inwhich needs to be watched over and taken care of by those who you think are children.
[edit] Neutrality?
I find this article to be rather an "attack" on a submissive's "motives" and "feelings" during subdrop. As a submissive I have quite a bit of experience with this and honestly find the terms used RATHER offensive. I am thinking now on more neutral terms to edit the article and more accurately represent what some others of us in the BDSM community feel during and about subdrop. 75.41.32.93 17:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)wonder
- I think I see what you mean - it probably wasn't intended to be offensive, but yes it could come across a bit like "subs are irrational little children who need to be looked after all the time". Either way, I think that the tone isn't encyclopedic (reads more like a "How to"), and much should be dropped as opinion or original research. Mdwh 23:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
