Talk:Strength training
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[edit] Tips to Build Your Strength-Training Routine
Thoose tips are very misleading, I am earsing them Also this article Shouldn't be about "strength training and it's use for toning or bodybuilding" but strength training , in other words increacing strength , also the term toning is misleading since building muscule does not increace it's tonus relatively
- I have reverted your deletion because it looks like perfectly valid material to me, certainly at the level of the general reader, for whom the article is intended. GeorgeStepanek\talk 21:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lynn VanDyke
Why does the 'Tips' section need permission from Lynn VanDyke? If they wrote this for some other work, it should be fully refrenced.
- She added it herself, but it was a copy of her own work that had also been published elsewhere on the Internet. I added the tag to ensure that it wouldn't get clobbered as a copyvio. GeorgeStepanek\talk 05:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Middling re-work
I did a middling re-work, particularly of the new section added by Bigbossrom (nice section by the way, I'll add a definition of training cycle in a bit), took out some of the 'you's and moved the PMT into the 'other techniques at the bottom. Anyone have any comments? WLU 12:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Advanced Techniques
Nearly everything in this section are different approaches to bodybuilding not strength training. I think they should be taken out and moved to the bodybuilding page. I know some people may think that many of these techniques work for getting stronger, but they predominantly work for beginners only. Let me know what you think.--Bigbosstrom 21:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- That makes sense to me, I'd be happiest if only scientifically verified (and referenced) info were included on this page. When I started the merger I'd kinda intended the ST page to be the core, with the other pages being spin-offs. Incidentally, if any of them require weights specifically, they should be on the weight training page. WLU 21:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Actually
Resistance training would probably be the primary catagory. This is how the breakdown would go:
| Resistance Training | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Weight Training | Isometric Training | Band Resistance | Hydraulic Resistance |
| Strength Training
Bodybuilding Circuit Training |
Bodybuilding | Bodybuilding
Fitness |
Bodybuilding
Circuit Training |
Strength Training --Bigbosstrom 20:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Note that the whole purpose of the merger/move of ST/RT/WT was to differentiate resistance training (broad) from resistance training (narrow). The first is in the sense of 'any resistance to muscular contraction' and is actually under the heading of 'strength training', while the second is 'the use of elastic or hydraulic resistance to oppose muscular contraction'. Hopefully a bit more clearly, on wikipedia resistance training currently refers to working out with elastic bands and under water. It's still a form of strength training 'cause the goal is to increase muscular strength, but it's the method that differentiates it. This holds for all of the umbrella categories by the way, all are covered under the main topic of 'strength training', where the basic principles are kept. The other articles are an effort to deal with the specifics of different ways of generating that resistance - elastics or other tension-generators, weights or others that rely on gravity, and structures or intramuscular forces for isometrics. It might seem a bit confusing, but that's the way it's separated right now. If you say resistance training is the overall category, that means that elastic elements are the dominant organizing principle of all types of muscular training for strength, and I'm guessing that's not what you're trying to say. Also - corrected a typo in the table. WLU 21:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Here's what I mean: Everything in the fitness world relys on resistance. Walking, jumping, weight training, bodybuilding etc........
When a person trains for endurance, they are using a very, very small resistance over a long period of time to increase their cardio vascular system.
When a person trains for bodybuilding, they are using various ranges of resistance from light to heavy with muscular hypertrophy in mind(not strength).
When a person trains for strength, they are concerned with thier neuro-muscular efficiency, generally using heavier weight and lower reps. This is the only true strength training
--Bigbosstrom 23:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- You're right about endurance training, which is why the strength training article doesn't discuss endurance work - the purpose is to increase muscular endurance, not strength. Bodybuilding isn't really discussed in the strength training article - it actually contains sections that differentiate strength training from bodybuilding. And this article should focus specifically on strength training, the basic principles of improving muscular strength. Have a gander at the archive for the discussion that's already taken place. WLU 23:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
