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1 Comments
2 Bates method
3 Eye surgery image
4 Strabismus is self-correcting

[edit] Comments

"When strabismus is congenital or develops in infancy, it can cause amblyopia, in which the brain ignores input from the deviated eye although it is capable of normal sight." This is standard fare from the literature, I believe, although the description falls a little short of completeness. According to a pamphlet from the American Optometric Association the "amblyopic eye is never blind in the sense of being entirely without sight." Further, the condition "affects only the central vision of the affected eye. Peripheral awareness will remain the same."

Those with strabismus and amblyopia report a variety of subjective experiences. As someone with divergent strabismus (one eye pointing out), I have a wider field of view and "better" peripheral vision than that of a person whose eyes point straight forward. It is possible the brain is "switching" between the images and thus "turning off" one of the eye. Even if this is the case, persistence of vision or some such effect leaves me with a continuous image from both eyes with no awareness of "flickering", loss of vision in one eye, or the like. There is some double vision (diploplia) near the center as well as weaker vision in one eye.

To get to the point of this personal story as it relates to this article:

I've read posts at strabismus message boards that describe experiences similar to mine, but I've yet to find scientific literature that explains the subjective experience of the condition with great accuracy. As a child my ophthalmologist, one of the most prominent in the field at the time, *told* me what I was experiencing without asking me to describe what I saw. To this day I haven't met an ophthalmologist or optometrist who understands the subjective experience well, though certainly there must be a few doctors who have the condition themselves. Nonetheless I suspect that the literature is somewhat wanting. This article at Wikipedia may be a good place to collect and summarize information about those subjective experiences. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.113.111.37 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 30 January 2005 (UTC).

I also have divergent strabismus, and I have exactly the same feeling. I *know* my weak eye is seeing everything, but it's not really focusing on anything. People find it odd when I say some things like "I'm looking at you with my left eye, and now I'm looking at you with my right eye!".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Feliperijo (talk • contribs) 02:09, 6 July 2005 (UTC).

Yeap, that's what I did and told to my friends. And most of them, if not all, were confused and had no idea what I was talking about. In my opinion, this article is incomplete and certain parts are quite confusing. — Yurei-eggtart 16:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Curently the enforcement of the patch is being dropped. The 4-7 years old children, those supposed to wear those patches, are loking for every moment when they can free the dominant eye, being pressured by the other children (booing and/or feeling of being different) and by the fact that they can't really see with the other eye. The child is brought into wearing the patch for short periods of time, while distracting their attention and forcing them to use the invalid eye with a solicitng activity, such as Lego, in a familiar environment. Then, after a quite long accomodation period, the child is getting used with the patch and is wearing it without problems.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luci Sandor (talk • contribs) 14:12, 14 July 2005 (UTC).

Would it be possible to redirect some search terms here, namely the ones stated at the beginning of the article: "heterotropia", "squint", "crossed eye", "wandering eye", or "wall eyed" since using this specific term may render some people from finding the article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mark272 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 4 October 2005 (UTC).

85% of adult strabismus patients "reported that they had problems with work, school and sports because of their strabismus".
The same study also reported that 70% said strabismus "had a negative effect on their self-image" [1].

I have a quite severe exotropia (about 30 degrees) and I had no idea I was supposed to be so disturbed by it. For various reasons I swap which eye I am using depending on the task or situation, whcih also means that no one ever really knows where I am looking; for example in group situations sometimes someone will try to "catch my eye" when I am already looking straight at them. The descriptions above of seeing but not seeing with the eye I'm not "looking at" sound just like how I describe what I see.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.63.58.240 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC).

Don't you hate taking pictures? Don't you hate it when people look behind them while you're talking just because that they're confused of what exactly you looking at? Well yeah, one thing special about having strabismus is that you're able to control which eye to use. Other than that, it's been giving me much frustration, and I hate taking pictures. — Yurei-eggtart 16:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bates method

I changed the text to its orginal text because it is a citation. What Morgan Wright is saying is personal opinion. ( a opinion which proves in my opinion you do understand the value of the published information ) To avoid everyone can say everything he or she wants the source should also be given so it can be checked.

By the way Morgan Wright a lot of people think that a for example a lazy eye is connected to being lazy. This is not true according most bates teachers. They say tensed eye is far closer to the truth. And relaxation is the thing to do. See Bates method in wikipedia. Why is the wikibook of W.H. Bates removed in this article ? I think articles should contain as many information as possibel as long as the published sources can be checked. Seeyou 21:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eye surgery image

Honeymane, Its not "censorship" to have a link to this image rather than embedding it in the page. I think its better we have a link to this image rather than people (who may not have stomachs as strong as ours) stumbling across it. Good job Adam78. Famousdog 14:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It is censorship, just as making a nude image with black bars (etc) over her nipples or Vulva is censorship. As I said in the edit summary, Wikipedia does have a Content Disclaimer, if they see an image that shocks them it is there own error in judgement.

The Linking of Images in articles such as Penis, vulva, breast, List of sex positions has never been supported because this is censorship, we can't baby the world's people, someone is always going to take offense to an image. --Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 03:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

This is untrue; people don't have any problem or offense with 99% of the images in Wikipedia. The content disclaimer you cite doesn't extend to everything and anything, as it is clearly stated in Wikipedia:Image use policy ("Do not upload shocking or explicit pictures, unless they have been approved by a consensus of editors for the relevant article."). Note also that no one owns an article, therefore one should always work towards a compromise with the other editors, rather than appropriating an article.

The sex-related articles don't really belong here because no one visits those pages by chance but the topic of "strabismus" doesn't automatically involve surgery pictures. You can't see surgery images in the pages of breast, vulva, penis etc., can you? Adam78 08:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

If people are revolted by a picture of a willy, then that's their own bizarre, Freudian problem. Surgical images are a different matter - they require a strong stomach and aren't really necessary for the casual reader (to whom Wikipedia articles should be aimed). How is this censorship when a link is provided which readers can choose to follow? If you care so much about cencorship (sic), why don't you learn to spell it properly? And finally, what exactly is your interest in strabismus, Honeymane, or are you just sh*t-stirring (whoops, censored myself) and trolling? Famousdog 14:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Trolling? Because I have raised this issue? if the image is so shocking and horrible that it must be kept from view, then remove it completely; as far as I can see it is not adding a great deal to the article.

calling someone a troll because they're the one's who are bring up the issue of a violation of Wikipedia's policies is a bad idea. People have tried before the do this 'link to image' thing on other pages related to sex, and have been told, no, you can't, it's censorship . Personal attacks are not a good idea on Wikipedia ether, so going after someone's spelling mistakes is a stupid idea on your part (which is ironic, because you are the one misspelling the word, not I).

*IF* an image is not necessary for the casual reader, it does not belong, linked to or other wise.

no, I don't have a great personal interest in the article, but I saw something that was a violation of wikipedia policy and I decided to investigate; seeing as there is nothing on the talk page, I assumed it was merely a new or such wikipedia who doesn't understand that wikipedia is not censored. --Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 00:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

(undent) Its not censorship, Honeymane. Whoever said it was is in error. KillerChihuahua^?!? 04:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

then I am in error, but i still fail to see the validity of the image.--Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 05:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strabismus is self-correcting

This section was removed 26th March 2007:

"Additional evidence against the genetic theory comes from research in which scientists^{[citation needed]} deliberately created strabismus in normal monkeys by surgical reattaching an extraocular muscle to the wrong place. It proved difficult to create a permanent state of strabismus, and all the monkeys spontaneously straightened their eyes within a few weeks. ^[1]."

I think without further documentation, this entry should be removed. Strabismus is not merely a problem of eye muscles, it is a neurological disorder as well. I've had this all my life and if it were a mere matter of a few exercises, oh, if only. Anonymous comment

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