Talk:Stop the ACLU
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[edit] Removal of Content
I removed a list of complaints which Stop the Aclu has about the ACLU. This article is about Stoptheaclu, it's not about the ACLU. --Xyzzyplugh 14:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- I searched ACLU for several of the claims on this list and could not find any reference to them. It seems to me that one of two things is true:
- The claims are at least partly false or opinionated/exagerated/embellished by StACLU.
- The claims are true (factual).
- If (1.) they should be listed here, as this is taken directly from their website and would appear to be informative of StACLU's position.
- If (2.) then it might be wise to list or summarize them somewhere in ACLU instead. I don't care, as long as the facts appear somewhere. It does not seem right to just delete them, so I'm restoring the list. --Gherald 21:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- In either case, (1.) or (2.), I think the list should remain. With (1.), you already hit the nail on the head. With (2.), the list should remain since the list indicates why Stop the ACLU tries to, er... stop the ACLU. If (2.) is true, the article should be slightly edited to reflect this. I won't make such an edit however, since such a claim would be due to my POV and would slant the article as thus. It might be nice to note which of the items on the list the ACLU admits to, if any. Eruan 16:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notability
Do we really think this is notable? I seems mostly to one guy's blog, which has only existed since February. Alexa ranking 700,000. The forum has 197 posts total. DJ Clayworth 21:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- They claim "As of 10/2005, the Stop the ACLU Coalition has over 1500 members and supporters in its database with people from all 50 states and roughly a dozen foreign countries and looking to grow significantly more." That would seem to satisfy WP:ORG if we can find a verifiable source, but I see no reason to assume bad faith...
- BTW I'm only here because the following got me curious: --Gherald 22:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
We have removed our snail mail information for now due to the advent of a new Christian political advocacy group whose tactics include posting online the addresses and telephone numbers of those who see differently from how the organization has told its followers to think. This faction then encourages wannabe politically active Christian youths, teens, and young adults — ultra-fundamentalists, all — to confront the group’s ideological opponents. “Confrontation” includes vandalizing their victims’ homes, breaching their homes’ security systems, assaulting their persons, harassing their families, and similar terroristic moves. They’ve been known to use the tricks of espionage to obtain such information as the location of surveillance cameras and of safe or private entryways, etc. This and similar information likewise gets posted. The group itself is called StopTheACLU.org, whose web location goes without saying and won't be linked from here. This little group, disguised as a movement, really, is a direct subsidiary of the ultrabigoted clearinghouse for teenage Christian fear-mongering, BattleCry organization. Like all terrorists, this variety seeks only to instill paralyzing fear. [1]
- I saw this on new pages, and am almost sure it didn't go to AfD because i found some published articles about the organization. Maybe something to do with this:[2]? tho the dates don't look right. I should have at least put the links on the talk page back then, sorry!EricR 22:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- (quoted from the Positive Atheism website:)
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This little group, disguised as a movement, really, is a direct subsidiary of the ultrabigoted clearinghouse for teenage Christian fear-mongering, BattleCry organization.
- There is no evidence to support any direct connection between this StoptheACLU outfit, which seems to be just one individual, and the Battle Cry Campaign except that they both spring from the subculture in which this kind of advocacy is common and ideologically supportable. Mike Doughney 18:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
From WP:ORG:
Criteria for organizations
Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by a third party source.
Stop the ACLU has numerous activities that involve members throughout the U.S. and even other countries. News detailing this organization's membership drive and goals are listed in a 2005 article on WorldNetDaily (a very prominent conservative news source). I will promptly add a link to this article to the External links page. I believe that this should satisfy notability (again, per WP:ORG), and as such I am going to (finally) remove the notability tag at the top of the article. Eruan 20:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Harrassment of a Jewish Family???
No mention of Stop The ACLU's successful effort in leading a harassment campaign against a Jewish family that moved into a non-Jewish neighborhood (that eventually forced the family to go into hiding)? I think this should be added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.33.185.185 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC).
- Well, feel free to add it then! That is, of course, assuming it really did happen. For something like this, you'd definitely want to cite a reliable source. And don't forget to sign your posts to talk pages ;) Eruan 16:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of Unrelated Link
I removed a link to The Yankee Commentary from the article. It seemed like a suspicious link to me, so I checked it out and all it is is a blog that doesn't even concern Stop the ACLU, aside from a brief mention encouraging the readers to visit the site. I was personally slightly hesitant to do this, as the blog goes along with my opinion, but there was no reason to leave the unrelated link on the page. Eruan 18:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
