User talk:Steve block/Archive 7

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Answer

It's just that I don't think I'm violating any consensus. But I'm not going to pretend I agree with such incoherence against something already decided in wikiprojects. Actually my changes were completely accordong to that concensus. Consensus was expand info in the list first, then move to subarticles. If Gillespee took of the expansions, it means there is enough material to create a subarticle. I think CovenantD and Grisworld have become completely subjetive. If they don't want articles per episode, they should take it to the tv episode wikiproject instead of picking on a small fried.

I'm keeping the he vandalism control, you can moderate the content, but I won't go through the situation of nobody believing me I have a wikistalker again. Having evidence took me out of that situation and there is no WP convention against it.--T-man, the wise 16:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You can ~~cross~~ the content bothering you, and I promess you I'll change or take it off. But I need that page. Meet me in the middle point, please. --T-man, the wise 16:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I just took off all the propagandistic yaping and now it's just a list of links. About 4 tims smaller. Anything else you want me to change.--T-man, the wise 18:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You said: "Regarding your source for the info, I'm looking at the date on it and it's dated after Wikipedia started disseminating that information. Is it not possible Wikipedia is the source for that article's content, and that it is not a reliable source? I'm not going to blind revert, but I think it's a point we need to consider here."

Good eye! I was trying to find something quickly, and I should have paid closer attention. I'm going to remove that part again and see if I can't find a more credible source. If the passage is correct, I should be able to find it on some fringe websites. Time to highten my security levels, eh? --Chuchunezumi 22:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, at least I'm now in the border. I used the be way across it, so that's kind of an improvement, isn't it? How ever I'll keep up the behavior improvement until the tone is perfect. Your ~~observations~~ have been of great help, thanks.

Please keep in mind that it's not easy to keep a good tone when other users are attaking and being subetice towards my edits even if those followed the consensus (I'm talking the consesnsus in that specific page, which was expand there first then create the subpages)--T-man, the wise 22:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Please take it to mfd. It still talks all about me, completely unnecessary adn aggravating. If he removes it all, I will stay away from him, as long as he doesn't interfere with pages I work on regularly. -- Dyslexic agnostic 03:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Break

Steve - Enjoy your break. If/when you come back, I'd like to talk about the reasons you posted. No hurry. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I'm back. You sounded kind of disheartened by the whole thing, and I thought I might try to cheer you up. When Radiant! left, I put a note on his talk page that I think still applies. IMO Wikipedia is going through some growing pains. I don't think I've been here long enough to qualify as one the real old timers, but I suspect it's done this before as well. Wikipedia survived its growth from its beginnings as a small community where pretty much everyone actually knew everyone else to its current form where hardly anyone knows anyone else and certainly no one knows everyone. It's popular enough now that it attracts organized POV pushers in addition to garden variety assholes, of which there are certainly more than there used to be, but there are way more reasonable folks as well. It still has the same principles, so as long as there are way more reasonable people than assholes, I think things will work out OK. Some things pretty much have to change, but I think they will. If you're willing to take the long view of things, and stick around through the current transition period, I'm sure something fairly reasonable will come out on the other side. I don't know how long it might take, and there are plenty of ways to remain active without participating in things that might annoy you, so if you find what you're currently doing here not to be any fun any more you might want to simply find something else to do. Anyway, it annoys me when reasonable folks leave and if there's anything I can do to help prevent that please let me know. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I can take the long view, I get what you are saying there. I'm just finding it hard to work out what I get out of this anymore. Every area I dip a toe in seems to involve investing an awful amount of time in arguing. It appears people no longer want to listen anymore, everyone is so convinced of the rightness of their view. But you're right, I need to step back and see where it is I can enjoy contributing. There just doesn't seem to be any joy around anymore, no sense of community what-so-ever. And the transient nature of everything is so frustrating. I'm certainly nowhere near being an old timer, but it's hard to restage discussions and re-iterate hard fought ideas. It'd be nice if we had just one definitive statement that was immutable, some corner of this project we could all agree on. But I'm pragmatic enough to know it'll come out in its own way. Steve block Talk 11:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the basic immutables are WP:NPOV, WP:V, and WP:NOR. Pretty much everything else is a consequence of these three (and/or really not that important - which I think includes nearly everything that most folks seem to want to argue about). There is clearly some sort of stability feature that's going to come, to protect article content from random vandalism. Procedurally something has to happen as well, since there are too many people here to self govern by direct democracy. I think these are the next two steps in Wikipedia's evolution. Article stability seems to be hotter at the moment, but I actually think the other one is at least as important. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The CovenantD issue

Not wanting to drag you out of your break...but since people are discussing you, I'll leave a link here until you have a chance to look: User talk:Jossi/AMA Kickstart70. Specifically, differing opinions of the reasons for your break. --Kickstart70-T-C 03:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Fred Phelps

Hey, I have a question for you. I found what I consider a really credible source, but I have no idea how to attribute it. Basically, there is a reporter who sued/is suing the Topeka newspaper for the rights to publish his work on Fred Phelps, which was contracted by the paper. He sued for the rights to publish the article, and submitted it as evidence to the court. The article verified everything in that unreferenced statement, but I'm not sure if it can be cited since it wasn't published (he posted the entire complaint, which IS public record, along with the manuscript, online at [1]) but I don't know if that's okay or not. How frustrating! Any ideas? --Chuchunezumi 04:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Redirects

You may be right, although I think that in general any cross-namespace redirect is confusing. Hmmm...I do understand about not wishing to be contacted, although it's a bit awkward to cut off communication on a collaborative project like this. Perhaps you could redirect your talk page to a temporary subpage so that people could leave you messages, but you wouldn't get the yellow notice? — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

DA more harmless yet annoying

For the Man Who Has Everything
Dan Riba
like here making mistakes and edit warring per a made up name convention, error that took me weeks to fix like the actual name convention indicates. Also notice the attack on the summary.

T-man harmful

OMG... now I get in trouble for legitimate fixes? Especially in For the Man Who Has Everything, a page I have done substantial work on before? And Dan Riba, for which T-man (wait for it) had THE WRONG NAME LISTED (namely Paul Dini)? So fixing Wikipedia by me is now annoying? And to top it off he creates Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Dyslexic agnostic just to annoy me, knowing full well this Gillespie is not a sockpuppet. When will this insanity end?! -- Dyslexic agnostic 01:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I really believe both are the same person. I swear.

The problem here is the use of the word attack. As DA, allegedly knows as a lawyer, exposing evidence does not constitute an attack. But calling somebody harmful, or following him does. My vandalism control page doesn't grow if he doesn't follow me. That's the deal. I't should not include verbal attacks (like D A stalked, obsessed, etc), only reports when he edit's something straight after me. For example, what the need for date wikis in the very same page I moved to to work, when thousands of (even comic related ones) lack of those? That's the kind of odd activity don't appreciate.

Also, the harmful attack. What's the definition of harmful? The page does not contain insults anymore. A vandal act for example, is harmful. I think DA thinks the page is harmful because it mirrors his own actions which, if you consider the later vandalism, the summary insults, the way he kept following me even after you told him not to, and the bad edits (like renaming articles against disambiguation and tv naming conventios); are very harmful... to me and himself. He is the one making the page bigger not me (actually I've been making it incredibly smaller later). It's kinda like the Dorian Gray Portrait to him. Or like Jekyll & Mr. Hide, Hide was the size of Jeckyll's sin, smaller at first, and then as time passes Hide got bigger and bigger.--T-man, the wise 09:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Screwed

I can't believe it, I've been exteme li polite latey, but I neet to outburst. I can't believe the little freak did this I truly hate him. How can he expect to me to like him or work with him when he srews me like that. I truly hate him. He has kept following me around ant this time I'm incredibly pissed off. Milllions of pages where his opinion is needed and he had to go there. Can you understand the anger I'm feeling towards him. Should I also follow him around and badmouth his projects so that he knows how it feels? I havent done that fo far, out of respect for wikipedia and being coherent with what I complaint. But this time he really crossed the limit. Not even when he emptied my page and added grafitty a couple weeks ago felt this mad. Please, he is got to be controled somehow. --T-man, the wise 20:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

WHAT?? Here I actually compliment his hard work, and he finds it an insult? I said the page has come a long way with his work. I don;t get it. -- Dyslexic agnostic 05:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm willing to negociate: If he stops following me around, I'll take that page off. I consider as "following me around": editing less than 3 days or 3 editors after my last edit. As soon as he follows me in such manner, more than 3 times or 4 separated out of 10 times, the page is back. I don't want him in my life. I hate him, I truly do, but if he stops following I'll stop compiling. I don't want to be his "team" or his "budd". I want to read from him as often as I happen to read from any normal user I know. --T-man, the wise 22:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

My edits of his lately, and from now on, are all in complete good faith. His comments about me on his rant page are not. I won't abide by his terms, as my edits are done to improve his poor grammar and spelling, although I have no criticism of his knowledge or content or enthusiasm for the TV episode project. -- Dyslexic agnostic 05:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You don't need to worry about that for six months. --Chris Griswold 08:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Given the ban, can User talk:T-man, the Wise Scarecrow/Vandalism & Harassment finally be removed? No hurry, you are on wikibreak, and so am I. Thanks. -- Dyslexic agnostic 05:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Falun Gong, Research into Health Benefits on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Falun Gong, Research into Health Benefits. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.

Dear Sir,

The reason we chose to have a seperate page for Falun Gong, Research into Health Benefits was that the agreed upon framework for the main page required that only intros to subsections be left on the main page while each sub-section carried a daughter page.

It is requested that he page may please be undeleted.

Dilip rajeev 06:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

We were working on an article and it is by no means a perfect one.. It is requested that more time be given for us to work on the structure and sub-pages rather than deleting the page.

How could be a research article be a "POV"? The fork Criticism and controversies about Falun Gong is mostly just propoganda material from the CCP shouldnt that page also be deleted then?

If you insist that we must not have such a sub-page, could you help me add the relevant content to the main page? Thankyou.

Dilip rajeev

Issues with other articles have no bearing on issues with this one. The article is protected and disputed at the moment, so I would suggest you propose your additions on the talk page and build a consensus on them. Steve block Talk 18:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images

Hi there, Steve. Would you please take a look at User talk:Lesfer#Alex Ross and User talk:Majestic Lizard#Re:Alex Ross? Please, explain the matter to user Majestic Lizard. Regards —Lesfer ^(t/c/@) 23:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

If my explanation to Majestic Lizard is correct, yep, the issue is over. Thanks —Lesfer ^(t/c/@) 17:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Request for advice.

Hey. Remember me? ACS. Well, first off, WB, Steve. I know you took a break a little while back. Anyway, I was hoping you could help me handle a little situation at The Class. Someone wants to add a "behind the scenes" section. Now, I've tried to remove it, stating why in the edit summary. I've tried to discuss it on the TP. Now...I'm just not sure. Advice? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 04:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Moves

I moved all of the articles to their proper locations; I was surprised by how easy it was. I was unable, unfortunately, to move five articles. I listed them at Requested Moves, but the page has a backlog, and these are unopposed, so I thought I would ask if you could move them. They are:

Showcase (comic book series) → Showcase (comic book) done
Fatale (comic book series) → Fatale (comic book) Maybe leave as is
Ronin (comic book series) → Ronin (comic book) Maybe leave as is
Action (comic book) → Action (comic)
Crisis (comic book) → Crisis (comic)

I appreciate your interest in the matter. I will be taking a break now. In a few days, I will be back and I can figure out the organization of the project you suggested. It will be nice to focus on one thing.--Chris Griswold 09:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Easing myself back in

Well, I'm slowly easing myself back in, but thanks for the comments. Sorry to drift out of the debate we were having, I pretty much agree with your thoughts on article stability and the governing of wikipedia. That said, what troubles me is that whilst WP:NPOV, WP:V, and WP:NOR are agreed as the basic immutables by consensus, the interpretation of them is open to such huge debate it seems like there is no consensus. They've become bloated and almost like religious tracts. The basic immutable seems to be that every article must reference a secondary source that has been subject to review by an editor or peers, and summarise that information as presented there-in. That would seem to be a statement worth declaring as the basic principle. Steve block Talk 11:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what debate about NPOV, V, and NOR you're talking about, but I think your one sentence summary is pretty much right on and I don't think there would be any particular disagreement (a couple of quibbles, published probably belongs somewhere and as presented there-in doesn't quite capture NPOV). BTW - have you read Jimbo's plenary speech from the recent Wikimania [2]? -- Rick Block (talk) 15:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Steve, I suppose better late than never, I'd like to apologize for the headaches I caused you a while back. I was blatantly inserting link spam and I shouldn't have been, and you were doing the right thing by calling me out on it. I have removed all of the offending copyright infringing content in my site, with a complete overhaul and name change too :-) No strips are there anymore, nor is The Yukon Song. So anyway, I hope I hadn't contributed to much to your wikistress, and I apologize. - Mjg0503 03:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Believe me, I don't mean to be annoying

Hey. Ace again. I was wonderong...well...hoping you help me with an image situation. Image:HotTopicLogo.gif, to be specific. Apparently, some users insist on uploading a image of the word "Poseur" in stylized text to replace the real logo. I was thinking the proper image could somehow be restored and then protected. I know it's a lot to ask, but this is like mucho persistant vandalism. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

Hi Steve, Do you recall a conversation that Rick Block, you and I had several months ago about creating a flickr like tagging system to enable category intersections? Rick and I have been working up a proposal to do just that. We'd appreciate your feed-back. So come take a look. The proposal is here. -- Samuel Wantman 08:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Thank you for your comment regarding mention of the term "sh**g*z*"(censored in the name of morale & good taste) on the My Bloody Valentine page. I've been editing this page a number of time over the months, for the obvious reason that a term as shallow and as meaningless as that has no true impact and doesn't even begin to accurately describe this band. To simply describe them "sh**g*z*", a quite frankly rubbish term coined by the narrow minded music press (to describe the way they look at their shoes when they play? what?), is inaccurate and unprofessional, and I don't feel it has any place on the page. And anyway, you'll notice that I only removed it on the formal bits describing My Bloody Valentine as a musical band and as a genre name, I left the description in regarding the term as applied to the band by the press, fans, other syncophants, etc. Although I plan on removing this when I can find an alternative with which to replace it. Juvenile terms like that have no place on Wikipedia, and I consider it vandalism when I see it included like its a serious musical term (such as rock 'n roll, metal, pop, etc.)

Ultimate Spider-Woman

Thanks for your action on this article. I removed the information from Spider-Woman and noted it on the talk page. --Newt _ΨΦ 20:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Guidance

How did you get so good and knowledgeable about Wikipedia? --Chris Griswold (☏) 14:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I've been here 18 months, I've been an admin nearly a year, I've had a go at all the major deletion processes, written the odd policy page and involved myself in discussing an awful lot of the others and just generally been interested in finding and working things out. But thanks for the compliment. The trouble with Wikipedia is working out what you want your focus to be. It's grown huge in even the time I've been here, and stuff happens that I don't get, like the featured article process, that's changed an awful amount in my time to the point I have no idea how it works. The basic thing is to get an understanding of the three key policies, WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:OR, get involved in deletion debates, and get involved in policy discussion. Keep an eye on the village pumps, especially proposals and policies, have a look at WP:RFC and respond to some of the requests, help discuss and build a proposal. And absorb it all, work out how it fits together. The more you get involved in, the more the processes will reveal themselves and you'll learn where the pages and guidance is. Browse the shortcut page. If you're preparing a run for admin, you'll probably need more policy page edits. Although I haven't been hanging out at RFA for a while so I don't know what the criteria for a succesful run is. You fishing for an admin nomination? :) Steve block Talk 14:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no, I'm not. I'm just looking to get better at being a part of Wikipedia, and you consistently impress me with your fair-handedness and your understanding of policy. --Chris Griswold (☏) 16:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

uh..no

Hey steve, Thanks for redirecting WP:EPISODE to WP:NOT. However, I don't think it is appropriate. I have tried to delete episode summaries because of WP:NOT point 7 and by saying they ignore WP:V. However, it never works because they are too popular to be deleted. I have rverted them; If youw ant to talk about it we can start an MFD. -- Chris chat edits essays 16:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Um. Fair play, although a good admin should base an afd closure in policy and not popular opinion. Steve block Talk 16:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

You Are What You Think

This article was deleted, would it be possible to get the content of the article, as it was prior to deletion? You could copy it to a subpage in my userspace or email to me at water@dr.com if the content is unsuitable.

I'd really appreciate this, if you have the time. Thanks very much. User:Pedant 20:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Steve. How would I go about finding out why the page was originally deleted? User:Pedant 00:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

It was deleted under the proposed deletion process. Someone had proposed it be deleted as they felt it was a bad article, and in five days nobody contested that deletion so it was deleted. I have to say it's not a brilliant article. What are your plans with it? Steve block Talk 19:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Haven't said it in a while...=

...but thanks for the great work and for hanging in there. Having to police things like a "Fictional blonds" category isn't fun, but rest assured many of us regular comics editors appreciate your vigilance A LOT. Thank you, man -- Tenebrae 04:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hiya

Thanks :) we can always argue some more, whenever you like. >Radiant< 21:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Your comment

You made a comment on my talk page. What's that about?--The Judge 12:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

The Adventures of Tintin

Hi, I'm sorry I haven't been available to comment on the improvements these last days. My computer just went dead and I have to upgrade it in order to get on the internet. I will probably first be available on Monday.

I can give you some brief pointers besides what I already wrote in the nomination.

I would like you to split up the "Overview" section into two sections. In general there shouldn't be an overview section, because that is what the lead is for. The first half should be a description of a standard plot. What kind of genre were in and so forth. The second should be about the publication history. In this section you should mention every single album.

The web references should be converted to {{cite web}}

Try and look out for short stubby paragraphs with fewer than three sentences.

Anyway, you have made good progress. I will make a more detailed comment next week. --Maitch 15:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with all three points, although at the minute I'm still addressing other areas and the web citation is the lowest on my priority. I would hope an article wouldn't have FA status stripped on that concern, since anyone can step in and help there. Steve block Talk 17:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Supergirl

You seem to be sure of what you did on Supergirl. What's the actual justification?--The Judge 04:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:Infobox DCAU character

I redesigned the infobox to make it look rather like a complementary infobox than another superherobox. I was never sure about including the characteristics, since in most case those tend to stay the same. Taking those off, might be good in order to make the infobox look complementary. The only problem is that there are several cases in withc te statistics change... Maybe if I change the "Characteristics" header to "changed characteristics".

I didd further modifications:

I took of creator, since it can't change.
Instead of characteristics, the header says "different characteristics". Withc means susers only fill the chanching data, like with the name of the clock king or aresia.¨
Took of the Powers header and move it to "different characteristics", so it is undderstood the powers info should only be filled if there is any changes between versions.

...Now, I say some infoboxes called "navegation infoboxes". which hide content unless you click it. Maybe the differen characteristics hwader should work like that, hidding info.--The Judge 04:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I just checked what you did on Clock king... Why? You didn't even bother to use the talk page. That's vandalism. I'm *not* going to call an admisnistrator or write in the notice board, but please fix it.--The Judge 05:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

If you check the talk page at Clock King, you should find where I detailed exactly why I did what I did. As to Supergirl, I left a pointer to the related discussion at the WikiProject talk page. Steve block Talk 19:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

It, still not good enough, you choped off big amounts of info on Clock King and only left summaries like "Clean-up". I'm still mad at you, that was very unrespectful, fix it or I'll call an admin.--The Judge 21:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

If you check the talk page, I left an explanation as to the clean up, but feel free to ask one of my fellow admins as to whether my edits are vandalism or not. The info I chopped was information that wasn't of encyclopedic value, per What Wikipedia is not and Writing about fiction. If you feel mad, I suggest you read how to stay cool when the editing gets hot and before you label anything I did "unrespectful", consider whether you own any article and whether that accusation assumes good faith. Steve block Talk 21:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the RFC: The discussion took place here

Wikipedia_talk:Cite_sources/archive10#Intermediate_sources Andries 18:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Get away, please

There are several people having the exact same problem with the exact same user. And they liked my comment, I don't see what's our problem. Who are you to talk, anyway? You've done nothing but attack me since you poped up in my page (even though you claimed to be friendly), and I resent that. And the warning is still on, if you don't fix the info you chopped off in Clock King soon I'll be callin an admin. user--The Judge 10:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

No wonder why you're so bossy

Several people have the same problem with CovenantD. And I didn't even read more than the fiveth part of his talk page. I can't believe you support him. He is making wikipedia unpleasant for several people. I only helped the users complaining and himself realise there are several of us in the same situation. And I'm willing to help whoever has a problem with this user (unless of course CovenantD is right, case in which I'd try to help the other editor understand it). If CovenantD becomes more respectful, at least with my edits, I'll stop that. Even though I shouldn't because he should be respectful not only with me, but with everybody complaining about him in his talk page. specially since, so far I've only seen him deleting hours of work, just like you.

And so that you know, that Chris guy is doing the same, offering to support CovenantD deletionism. I think they could be one of those puppets.

However, I don't like you, please avoid contact. I can't respect somebody with so much disrespect for hours good work from several users (you also erased prose). I can't believe you're an administrator user. I'm still reporting you if you don't conciliate things in the talk page in question. I don't care if youre the King of England--The Judge 21:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

hi

i am sushant gupta. Mbimmler abused me on my userpage. thanks Sushant gupta 11:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)sushant gupta

Looks like you have cleared this misunderstanding up. Steve block Talk 20:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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