User talk:Steve Kroon

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[edit] Wikiproject Go

Thanks for joining :)

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"I'd also like to suggest the following templates: A name template for Go players, showing the player's name in Kanji, Hangul, or the like, as well as the various romanizations. Have we chosen a standard for the main article on each player? Short biography template for professionals, showing date of birth, date turned pro, date retired, date died, place of birth, affiliations, etc. A promotion history template for each professional, showing year of each promotion (and reason for award, perhaps) A tournament template, indicating which countries and players participate, the general format, the prize money? Succession boxes for the various tournaments to be displayed on the payer pages A table for listing tournaments/titles won by a professional A "Go-related article" stub template --TheKro 10:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)"

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• A standard hasn't been chosen, but I've created templates for different nationality players that contain Kanji, Hangul, Pinyin, and Traditional/Simplified Chinese names. You can see some examples here - Hideyuki Fujisawa, Lee Chang-ho, Ma Xiaochun.
• This promotion template sounds good, maybe even filling in awards from magazines, too?
• I've created a tournament template also, as can be seen at Kisei, Judan, Oza etc..
• This would seem a bit troubling for players such as Ma Xiaochun, Cho Chikun, Lee Chang-ho, and Cho Hunhyun, because frankly, they've won a lot of titles :p
• I've done this on every go player page, if I recall correctly.
• Seems to be done

Thanks again! CanbekEsen 11:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• • I like what you've done here, but it's not clear which template to use in what situation, especially with

players often changing countries, or born in one, and playing in another. Surely we can have a generic "Go-bio-stub", with the name in each language given? This will be useful also for people searching for info on players in other languages? If we're worried about clutter, we can leave all the oriental forms out, just using name at the top of the article, and then putting the further linguistic details in a "oriental-names-stub" near the bottom of the article?

Hmm, it shouldn't be hard to create a "universal" template where it comes with the Kanji, Hangul etc etc. as optional.

• • Yeah - perhaps awards (and records held) should be in a regular table, and mentioned in the article itself?

That sounds good.

• • Yeah, Charles pointed out it would be good for hereditary titles (Heads of houses, maybe godokoro, etc.). However, for annual titles it may still be doable - some of the royalty out there have quite a lot of titles, but since the succession boxes are at the bottom of the page, it doesn't clog up the main article much.

That is true, good point.

• • OK. Is the list ad hoc per page, or is the tournament listing order standardised across pages.

Each one has been listed by importance (either oldest or biggest prize money).CanbekEsen 19:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The Nihon Kiin (Japanese professional go school in Tokyo, Japan) publishes a yearbook of the professional go games. In the back are photographs and a biography of the professional go players from Japan (all three? schools), China, and South Korea. The last time I checked (~1991) there were about nine professionals resident in the U.S. Two (Michael Redmond, 9-dan now from Santa Barbara, CA and James Kerwin, 1-Dan from Minnesota) traveled to Japan to attain pro status and one (Janice Kim, 1-Dan, now 3-Dan? from New Mexico, now New York) to South Korea and then returned. The others were go pros already and emmigrated to the U.S. The first go pro was Jimmy Cha, 6-Dan from South Korea, then Los Angeles. The American Go Association may have some data. Larry R. Holmgren 04:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Steve Kroon, may I recommend the book "Breakthrough to Shodan." I read your detailed go tournament history. I started as a 17 kyu after teaching myself to play ~1970. Larry R. Holmgren 08:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)