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[edit] Beatles Discography

Greetings, fellow Beatlemaniac!  ;-)
I've noticed that you've done quite a bit of work on the Beatles Discography page in regards to the American LP releases. Would you mind if I fixed up/corrected the American Singles releases? There are a couple missing releases, and some errors in the "peak position" noted for some of the singles -- also, there's no indication (currently) on how the flip sides fared in the charts (for instance, Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields -- my data shows Penny Lane first (a side?) and Strawberry Fields second (b side?), and the line on the page shows it reached #1. Penny Lane reached #1 in the states, but Strawberry Fields only reached #8). I'd be happy to fix things up (I have all the Billboard Hot 100 chart data available), but we might want to look at how the Singles are handled (both US and UK) in terms of how to denote "B-Side" chart placement.
I considered changing it to something like: Penny Lane(#1) / Strawberry Fields (#2) - (Release Date) ...that'd work, but then the UK singles section should probably be changed to reflect the same format. ...and I don't have any UK chart data, so someone would have to do some UK chart research to fill that in -- I'd be happy to scour the web to see if I can find that stuff, but I don't have it at hand in printed format (as I do the US Billboard data). Let me know, here or via my talk page what you'd like... or, just to tell me "Hands Off, Bozo!"  ;-)
--Brian.D 21:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't entirely my work, but go ahead. I noticed that the original Vee-Jay release of the "Please Please Me" single needs correcting as it flopped and was not #3 which the 1964 reissue with "From Me To You" as the B-side was. Steelbeard1 23:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, exactly. There is also an omission in the first (4) singles released in the US, which I will add. I'm also thinking (perhaps to avoid confusion?) of adding the Label and # to the releases, which should make things flow better. Again, I don't (readily) have the UK release information at hand, but we can tackle that project next, I guess, eh? It may take me a day or two to get things straightened out and uploaded (or, maybe a fit of productivity will overcome me, who knows?), but I'll let you know when I've updated the page via a short message here. --Brian.D 00:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've got the (correct) info [and why are people editing this category now, after I said I was (re-)working it?] laid out on my sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian.D/Sandbox ...looks a bit busy, so I'm going to wikitable it...

-- Brian.D 01:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

...and, tablified! ;) -- Brian.D 02:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm getting the distinct feeling that my knowledge, references and contributions are not welcomed here, and that the work I'm doing is being ignored and/or reverted. I certainly didn't mean to step on any toes. Let me know if you'd like me to continue, or simply bow out. -- Brian.D 03:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I didn't see your singles table template until I saw it in your own page. I don't know who is reverting it, but I can say that the table needs more refinement. In fact, I've been correcting some factual errors in the USA singles list the past couple of days. Have the senior Beatle article editors contacted you about your ideas? Steelbeard1 03:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree -- definitely needs refinement; I just haven't had the time in the past few days to dedicate to it. The factual errors I saw there were the reason I thought to do anything in the first place. ...adding in the labels/numbers keeps it more in line with the way the albums are presented, I think. No, none of the senior editors have contacted me about anything, as yet... but I'm here and ready to listen.  ;) -- Brian.D 05:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Please have a look at the updated formatting of the proposed change in my sandbox. If everyone's happy with the look/feel of things, I'll do up the UK Singles in the same style (for continuity). I've also asked kingboyk to take a look at it, as well. -- Brian.D 02:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two things

Hi mate, two things:

  1. I've fixed your talk page and archives up for you. If you want to archive again in future and you want to do it by page move, move the talk page to User talk:Steelbeard1/archive3 and then edit the redirect at User talk:Steelbeard1. Or, ask myself, Lar or another admin to do it for you. You had a bit of a mess going on :)
  2. It's great to see you're still creating wonderful new Beatles-related articles. I've listed all I know about at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Log. Could you check that page please, and if there's any other Beatle-related articles you created since 4th March, please add them to the table. If you can't use the table-code, just put a note on the talk page saying the name of the article and somebody else (probably me) will add them. I'd be really grateful if you'd do the same in future, so I don't have to keep track of what you're up to :) It's no big deal, it's just nice for the Project to be able to look back and see what we've achieved.

Cheers! --kingboyk 16:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm too shy to talk about myself, so that's why this page is as it is. Steelbeard1 17:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, nobody here knows your real identity (presumably), and we have to talk about things to make decisions and work together. I appreciate that you're not a trumpet blower though :) Anyway, would you bear in mind what I've asked and perhaps have a look at that list for me? Thanks. --kingboyk 17:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes I did and it does cover all of my Beatle-related article creations. Thanks and you're welcome. Steelbeard1 17:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 2, June 2006

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 2 – June 2006
Beatles News
  • Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. A case brought by Apple Corps against Apple Computer, regarding possible infringement of a previous agreement between the two parties in respect of distribution of music, was heard in a London High Court. The story made Wikipedia's front page due to a nomination by our own Kingboyk. The story had an amusing second wave in the news and on Wikipedia; be sure to read the article on Guy Goma if you missed it!
Project News
  • The Beatles article has been approved for inclusion in Wikipedia Version 0.5, making it one of the first 20 articles to be selected and the first in the Music category.
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Policy Talk, where some lively discussion has taken place regarding the (perennial) question of the capitalisation of the letter T in "The Beatles". After seeking the comments of Wikipedian third parties unrelated to the project, the proponents and opponents concluded that the current naming policy was correct. The discussion had the added bonus of bringing in some new members.
Member News
  • Project member (and "co-instigator" of The Beatles Project) Lar was made an Administrator. Project member Kingboyk (the other guilty party) has been awarded a Music Barnstar for his contributions, including his work within The Beatles Project, and has also stewarded the KLF article to Featured Article status this month. Sometimes-contributor ZincOrbie has also been awarded a Barnstar for his work on the Badfinger article. Congratulations to all!
Issue of the Month

The matter of the article History of the Beatles and the History section of the main article The Beatles continues to concern various editors, including DavidWBrooks and Vera, Chuck & Dave. Suggestions, comments, or help with the task would be much appreciated.

From the Editors

The Beatles have been in the real world news recently, but work on The Beatles Project continues as before. This newsletter keeps you up-to-date with what has been happening with the project and, perhaps more importantly, what needs to be done (see the "Issue of the Month" above and the "To Do List" below-left).

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[edit] 3RR block

 You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

Naconkantari 19:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Steelbeard1, I'm sorry that you've temporarily been blocked. I've put Dick DeVos on my watchlist nad have offered to help work with you guys to make sure the edit wars cease and the article remains neutral. Next time, don't be afraid to ask for help earlier, there was no need to get blocked over this. But please don't take it too personally, I know you're a good editor that has made many great contributions. ++Lar: t/c 01:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I should be out of the penalty box later today. I'm sorry I got caught up in the revert war user:Envix started. Now that he has been exposed and the IP addresses assigned to the DeVos campaign have been banned for six months from posting in Wikipedia, we shouldn't expect any more problems. But we should still monitor the Dick DeVos web page as well as other political candidates' Wikipedia articles to make sure there's no attempts by political campaigns to control Wikipedia content. I'll express these same thoughts in the talk:Dick DeVos article when I'm out of the penalty box. Steelbeard1 15:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Good idea. Blocks are preventative rather than punitive and I think you've taken on board that reverting just is a bad idea. Please feel free to ask for my help at any time (my email link works, or leave a message on talk) Do you want me to ask Naconkantari to lift your block early? ++Lar: t/c 16:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Lar. Please do. Steelbeard1 17:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, it looks like it ran out of its own accord before I got a chance to work through this and ask for it to be lifted early. But no matter, you're off block now. I saw your post at talk:Dick DeVos and concur with the desire to keep campaign related articles free of campaign related spin. ++Lar: t/c 19:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Early Tapes of The Beatles

Can you update your entries into one vote? I'm not sure what the policy is on voting because I've only been with Wikipedia for a few months and very rarely contribute and haven't read any policies on voting, but I think voting more than once would be acceptable anywhere (except in Iran j/k). --HResearcher 03:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Updated as per HReseacher's request. Steelbeard1 11:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 3, July 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 003 – July 2006
Beatles News
Project News
  • New article classification system, for our use and for Wikipedia 1.0. Very important and we need editor involvement. How can you help? Rate articles! It's easy:
    • Visit Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification and read about how to grade.
    • Visit Category:Unassessed Beatles articles and select an article to review.
    • After deciding what grade it should have, modify the invocation of {{WPBeatles}} on the talk page to add parms. The template itself gives you the parameters to use. For example, change {{WPBeatles}} to {{WPBeatles|B|Low}} if you think it's a low-importance, B-class article. Save your changes and make sure the talk page is now showing the ratings.
    • Click on the link in the template to edit the /comments subpage and explain why you rated the article the way you did. Don't forget to sign with ~~~~. Save that too.
    • Questions? Ask Kingboyk or Lar for help.
  • Want to stay up on new project developments? Watchlist all of the WikiProject pages plus The Beatles and each of the 4 members, to get a feel for what's happening. Also monitor and regularly review Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The Beatles articles by quality log. If an article is listed on there as "added", go check the article's history. If it's new since the Project began add it to the Project Log as a new article and up the counter by one :)
Member News
Issue of the Month

Preparing articles for inclusion in Wikipedia 1.0.

From the Editors

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[edit] A favour to ask relating to WP:Beatles

Would you consider helping out with an important task? We need the comments made earlier migrated. See: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles#Help_wanted which discusses the instructions for the task given here: Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification/Migrating. It would really help the project out a lot. Feedback on the instructions themselves gratefully received as well. Feel free to ask others for help. ++Lar: t/c 18:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] apology

Wow, I totally mis i.d. you with regard to the content. Sorry about that. David D. (Talk) 12:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michigan gubernatorial election, 2006

Hi again steelbeard1, I think you may have misinterpreted my edit. Your recent edit here actually contradicts your edit summary. I had attempted to make the article more simple by firstly converting text into a table format, and then just removing all the poll data. I also provided a link to the appropriate place for such commentary. Your edit has added back the detail and removed the link, was this a mistake? David D. (Talk) 21:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It could be considered a mistake. The intent is simply to talk about the latest poll numbers. If you wanted more info, go to the article about the governor's race. Steelbeard1 08:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I can see that argument. In that case the older june polling data should be removed to make way for the july polls. I was worried it was starting to be come a whole paragraph that was just listing all the poll data. David D. (Talk) 14:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I noticed the changes you made to the Dick DeVos article. I think that is a good move. David D. (Talk) 16:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

A minor note (please feel free to remove): you didn't sign your warning, at User talk:31415. John Broughton 19:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I signed it after your reminder. Thanks, John. Steelbeard1 19:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey guys! everything under control or do you need an admin to keep a more active eye again? I admit that some of these Michigan political articles have slipped off my radar of late... just LMK here. Thanks for your efforts to help keep the 'pedia free of POV... ++Lar: t/c 19:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out, Lar. I added my input after your comments in the DeVos talk page. Steelbeard1 20:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 4, August 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 004 – August 2006
Issue of the Month

Despite it being the lead news article of last month, there is still help required in the assessing of articles and the migrating of comments. Lar is willing to provide assistance to those unsure how to do this.

Beatles News
  • The Beatles in the news. Suggestions: [2] [3]
Project News
  • The Beatles article, the "Flagship" of the Project, is currently under review with regard to its Featured Article status. It is hoped that the review will identify those areas that need some(/lots of) remedial work, and that the Project participants and those editors who are involved in the the FA admin pages to can work together to "save" the status of the article.
    • At the moment there is some discussion as to why it has been listed, and what may be needed to help it retain its FA status. It may well be that some work is going to be required in formulating a plan of action, and then some more in achieving those aims.
    • The FA status is obviously quite important to the Project, and it would be appreciated if participants are able to provide assistance in keeping the article up to standard. The editors would be grateful if those persons receiving this Newsletter could spare some of their time, energy and brainpower in keeping this jewel in our crown in its proper place. Please go to Wikipedia:Featured article review/The Beatles and get involved! Thank you.
Notable updates
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[edit] Rubber Soul sleeve

I did this because the sleeve was too large; I was not aware that it was a separate sleeve. In any event, the sleeve needs to be resized to about 200x200. Ral315 (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 5, September 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 005 – September 2006
Beatles News
Project News
  • Unfortunately, the Featured Article badge on The Beatles was revoked. The article was immediately nominated for Good Article status, which it received later that same day. Project member Kingboyk said of the nomination, "I'm quite happy about it really, as I feel that GA is about where we're at and gives some incentive to work on the article."
  • We have a new category for Beatles articles needing attention. If you're looking for something to work on, the articles in this category and the subcategories need some TLC. To put an article in this category, tag its talk page with {{WPBeatles|attention=yes}}.
  • Kingboyk has given {{WPBeatles}} another major overhaul, and has assessed all of the Beatles articles. He would be grateful if other editors would leave comments on the state of articles, needed improvements and so on, by clicking the Comments link in the template. Also, feel free to revise the gradings—the assessments were done quickly, and article quality can change.
Member News
  • Liverpool Scouse has offered to take any desired pictures of the Liverpool area, upon request.
Issue of the Month

The featured article status of The Beatles was revoked.

From the Editors

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[edit] Alanharris3

now now i didn't relize it was British spelling when i "corrected" it, you don't need to get all huffy puffy about it.Alanharris3 18:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)alanharris3

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 6, October 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 006 – October 2006
Beatles News
  • The site of the former Casbah Club, operated by Mona Best (mother of Pete) in the basement of her house, and where the nascent Beatles played and rehearsed, has been accorded Grade II Listed status following a recommendation by British Heritage.
Project News
  • Some Project articles are having their Featured Article status reviewed, and the comments are not encouraging. The articles are A Day in the Life and A Hard Day's Night (song). (She Loves You has already had its FA status revoked.) Please participate in the discussion and help improve the articles!
Member News
  • New members to the project since the last issue include I Am The Walrus and NaLaochra.
  • As usual, the self-effacing individuals who contribute to the Project are far too modest to mention any Barnstars or other awards they may have received. Obviously they feel their editing/contributing is reward enough.
Issue of the Month

The lead article of the Project recently lost its FA status, and now some of the other articles are being reviewed. Citations and references within articles are again the major concern. Contributors who have literature (books, magazines, links, etc.) are especially needed to provide the necessary citations. It is not enough for editors to know the facts; they need to be backed up by other sources. All help, both within the articles and the discussion, would be appreciated.

From the Editors

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[edit] Dick DeVos

Done. Have semi-protected with note "Sprotecting to prevent further edit warring. Suggest this stay in place until Nov 7 elections" - I'll continue to keep an eye on it, let me know if you spot any further warring. Hope this helps and thanks for the heads up! Glen 01:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 7, November 2006


WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 007 – November 2006
Issue of the Month

Again, the issue of the month is inline citations. A Day in the Life, A Hard Day's Night (song), and Get Back have all been defeatured, as they failed to satisfy criterion 1(c) of What is a featured article?, and other song FAs are due for the chopping block. Inline citations are an important aspect of articles—they ensure verifiability and reliability, and they remove original research. Additionally, they give readers the option to read the original source material and view it within context.

Basically:

  1. All direct quotations attributed to Beatles members pooled from interviews need full inline citations.
  2. All critical comments about songs or albums need full inline citations to notable music critics, magazines opinions, or reviews, as opposed to being merely comments by Wikipedians.
  3. Inline citations need: author name, article name, publication date, and name of publication. Such info is still preferable even if quoting from an interview posted upon a website; when this is the case, place the URL link at the end of the citation with the date it was last accessed. (This will help editors retrieve the page using the Wayback Machine, should the link go dead in the future.)
Beatles News
  • The Beatles are due to release a soundtrack album, LOVE, at the end of November, as a companion to their Cirque du Soleil adaptation of the same name. It will feature remastered and remixed versions of their previously released songs, including some new medleys.
  • Paul's getting a divorce. Pain, arguing, and fighting abound.
Project News
  • The Wings tours are really nicely documented now (see Category:Wings tours), but Category:The Beatles tours is almost empty. Kingboyk and the rest of us would love to see (and read) articles on each Beatles tour, including the pre-fame tours of the UK—and the Hamburg trips, of course!
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney, involved in the Featured Article drive, as mentioned above.
Member News
  • Our project members are too modest to report any awards they may have given or received.
From the Editors

Wherever possible, editors should help to trim down on list-like prose within Beatles articles. They should convert list-like sections into fluent, cohesive prose which ties an article's sections together. Lists make articles disjointed, awkward, and difficult to read.

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[edit] A Hard Day's Night (album)

Couldn't agree more, being British myself... however, they should also be GRAMMATICAL and trip off the tongue, so I'm changing it back to "while". Just say the sentence out loud to yourself both ways, my version makes more sense ;) no hard feelings. There's nothing particularly American about "while", anyway. Lost Number 19:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Love (Cirque du Soleil)

Note that Love (Cirque du Soleil) links to the show, NOT the album. I put the discography link back in though. Just64helpin 17:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

That's better. Steelbeard1 17:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Granholm picture

Unfortunately, the terms of distribution for this photo are too limited for our purposes. Unless the State of Michigan releases it under a different license, we'll need to remove it and replace it with a different one. —Chowbok ☠ 22:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about him. He is useless. 2gether4ever 21:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 8, December 2006

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 008 – December 2006
Issue of the Month

Wikipedia's standards are improving all the time, with the result that many articles in The Beatles Wikiproject are being nominated for review of their FA and GA status - and many are losing that accolade. It is difficult, with such a large number of articles and the ease with which editors may make changes which are detrimental, to maintain the standard of articles, let alone improve them. As ever, members efforts are both appreciated and needed to keep the Project on course.

Beatles News
  • A Beatles compilation called "Love", featuring tracks remastered by George Martin (with his son Giles), has been released and has made number 1 in Canada.
  • The impending divorce between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to make the pages in the tabloid press in the UK.
Project News
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney (see above and below).
Member News
From the Editors

If one is to be mercenary about the subject, it should be noted that Paul McCartney is going to be more noteworthy than usual in the near future as his divorce case comes to court. In that case it is great to note that a small group of Project Members (plus another individual who does not feel compelled to register himself despite important contributions) have worked very hard, and in an atmosphere of good humour, to take the McCartney piece to a succesful Good Article nomination. Perhaps this is the method to use for future articles, a small dedicated team concentrating on one subject at a time. Of course, all members are invited to join any existing group or even go about forming their own. Please note any such action in the Project Log.

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[edit] Merry Christmas!

Have a good one! Best wishes, Vera, Chuck & Dave 12:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andersen Corporation

There is no reason why a referenced article that establishes the notability of Andersen Corporation should be deleted. Sadly the article that got deleted neither had references nor showed how it satisfies notability guidelines. Agathoclea 16:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Humourous

It isn't a UK/US spelling thing. See User:Spellmaster for details. Thanks for caring about spelling. --Guinnog 02:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes indeed. However, as I said above, it isn't a US/Uk thing as "humourous" is incorrect worldwide. --Guinnog 03:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Well done for finding a typo in the BBC site! However, Wikipedia, with all modern paper dictionaries spells it "humorous", so my point still stands. See [4], [5], [6], [7]. --Guinnog 04:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 9, January 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 009 – January 2007
Beatles News
  • The ongoing divorce proceedings between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to occupy the attention of the media - Heather Mills reportedly receiving unspecified death threats.
  • The British Post Office have released a series of stamps depicting various Beatles album covers.
Project News
  • The Paul McCartney article is being primped and primed for submission as a Featured Article candidate.
  • The good folk who have been working on the above article have turned their attention to the John Lennon page. Everyone is, of course, invited to contribute.
  • The hottest Project page this month has been the Macca (Paul for those not in the know!) article, again.
  • Other Project news... Please let the editors know if anything is happening, or just contribute it to the next newsletter.
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The question of capitalising of the letter "t" in The of The Beatles has been raised again. It appears that UK style references (here and here) also maintains that the letter should be in lower case. If the Project is to be appear professional then it may have to change the format. Polite discussion is invited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy. If possible, please provide sources/references to support your position.

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[edit] The Besterest Band Ever (a legend in their own lunchtime, even)!

I have waggled my eyebrows at Captain Wikify regarding language, but I would concede the point that we need a quote/reference/citation if we are going to keep the (definitive article) in the intro of The Beatles. You and I may know it, Cap'n W may know it, but we need some august authority to say/publish it before we can use it. LessHeard vanU 00:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paley Park

Thanks for that bit of info about the Stork Club. It fills in an obvious gap in the story of Paley Park. (The pun is intended). Verne Equinox 17:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Past Masters clean-up

If, by respect the compromise solution, you mean your own view of how the article should look, that is unacceptable. Wikipedia is a collaborative process and no changes were made to the CONTENT of the article Past Masters, Volume Two. The only changes made were aesthetic. If you wish to pursue some "reporting" over an aesthetic difference, that is your time. I, however, will not be bullied because someone has a particular view how a page should appear. Cbing01 17:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The information you refer to was not deleted, it was merely moved to the text of the article, as to leave only one (and the earliest) release date in the infobox. If you would read over an article, rather than arbitrarily reverting a change other than your own, you might see this. Additionally, your revert removes an external link with details pertaining to the release. Cbing01 17:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps we can have this discussion over at the article talkpage? I'm more than happy to umpire over there. LessHeard vanU 21:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 10, February 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 010 – February 2007
Beatles News
  • George Harrison's handwritten lyrics to the song While My Guitar Gently Weeps have fetched $300,000 (£152,552) in a Scottsdale (Arizona, United States) memorabilia auction (15 January). It contained lines omitted from the final version of the song. Specifically :
I look from the wings at the play you are staging
While my guitar gently weeps
As I'm sitting here doing nothing but aging
Still my guitar gently weeps

On the reverse of the page appears the lyrics to Hey Jude in the hand of Mal Evans.

Project News
  • The Project lead article (The Beatles, for those not paying attention) has had its Good Article status reviewed, and the consensus was 'keep'. The efforts of User:Andreasegde in supplying the requested citations, and other editors in helping with general editing, and the strength of arguments for retaining the grade sufficiently impressed the reviewers.
  • After a great deal of work Paul McCartney was promoted as a Featured Article candidate. Unfortunately it failed to succeed. Among other comments, including the correct length of dash (or hyphen), from reviewers was that the article was too long and also that it needed further information included in some of the sections(!?) The promotor, and driving force behind the insertion of a great many references, citations and facts (and the remover of unwanted text, and splitter of information into daughter articles), Andreasegde vigorously argued the case for promotion but was unsuccessful.
  • Mimi Smith was successfully nominated for WP:Good article status. The major editor to whom accolades should be directed is... Andreasegde.
The Beatles' Influence on Recording Music by Apepper and Wings 1973 UK Tour by Danthemankhan.
  • The hottest Project page this month was possibly, despite the Article Status related issues regarding both The Beatles and Paul McCartney mentioned above, the third attempt to delete The Beatles trivia in less than a year. As was the case for the second attempt at AfD the result, after an energetic discourse, was keep but with a suggestion that the article be retitled to reduce the incidence of deletion requests. Editors are invited to discuss possible new titles, and/or the need for same, at Talk:The Beatles trivia.
  • Other Project news - Lar did a bit of a purge of the subscription list during last month's newsletter delivery. Some folks were kept (and are at the active list), some who clearly are not active on wikipedia at all were removed with a "you've been removed" message left (and are at the inactive list), and some folks who were less active but not as clearly completely inactive were given a "this may be your last newsletter" message (and are at the possibly inactive list). A more nuanced subscription list is now here (in several subpages as outlined above), and anyone who wants to tweak their status (moving one's self back is a clear cut sign that we should deliver the newsletter to you!) should feel free. Please respect the rather spartan formatting though, this list is used by WP:AWB currently, and may be used by other automation in future.
Issue of the Month

Hottest issue or concern for this month is the perennial matter of Project articles losing their Good or Featured Article status. The main Project page now includes a status board that gives the current ratings of some of the more important articles. Let's make sure the core articles (The Beatles, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, and Ringo Starr) reach or retain Good Article status, if not Featured Article. If you are aware of another major article whose status is at risk, add it to the board.

Issue of last Month

Since there has been no response in the matter of the use of lowercase for the initial letter of the when applied with Beatles from the opponents, it is likely that the case for using lowercase only will be adopted as Project policy by default. User:LessHeard vanU will draw up a recommendation and submit it to the Policy talkpage in a few days.

From the Editors

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delivered by ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 03:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magical Mystery Tour LP

I'm sorry I changed the date of the LP, but I did it without checking out sources or at least reading the article, therefore, I made a huge mistake, I recognize, but it wasn't with the intention of vandalizing, only trying to correct what seemed like a key-pressing mistake. To prevent that, I introduced a <!-- --> comment. Rbb l181 21:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] YES!

Nice one Steelbeard1!! Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia, Consensus, The Beatles and Project Policy

I was going to step away from this, since I was only going by the rules and I didn't want to get into a big dispute (especially with editors who I respect and have enjoyed working with), but recent events have brought me back.

The debate about naming the convention regarding the capitalisation or not of the letter "t" of the in t/The Beatles has been going on for a while. I have endured the snide remarks of a Twit, and have engaged in civil debate with some others who continued to question Project policy regarding the issue. I pointed out the need to establish a reasonable argument for their viewpoint over and above that of some professional knowledge so there could be a debate. When they did provide reasonable grounds for reopening the debate I used the offices of the Beatles Newsletter Issue 9:Issue of the Month to request comment, debate on the matter. There was no response. In the next Newsletter Issue 10:Issue of last Month I commented that there had been no response, and that the Project policy would be altered to use of the lowercase. Again, nobody other than the proponents responded. After a brief while I did as I said I would, and amended the Policy.

[edit] Belated reaction

The new Policy is not to the liking of some of the editors involved the the Beatles Project (as the previous one was not to others.) After the policy was implemented reasons and arguments for retaining the previous convention were given. Authorities were cited and some discussion was created. Very recently more than one editor has edited Beatles related articles specifically to reflect the previous policy.

[edit] My Comments

My preference is to capitalise the letter t of the in the Beatles.

Wikipedia has very few rules; two of the most important relate to consensus and verifiability.

Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles has a specific area for the implementation (following debate and consensus) of Policy. The associate talkpage records the debate and the arguments used in reaching Policy decisions. The Project also maintains the principle of abiding by the rules that have been agreed, and the fundemental Wikipedia ethos of consensus.

[edit] My Observations

No recent discussion occurred when the matter of the use of lowercase or uppercase was notified in two Newsletters, other than between myself and the proponents of lowercase at the Policy talkpage. Since Policy implementation discussion has only occurred on the talkpages of concerned editors, or on the talkpages of some of the articles, and not at the Policy talkpage.

More than one editor has unilaterally decided to ignore the new Policy, going so far as to amend articles to reflect the previous convention.

[edit] My Conclusion(s)

The Beatles Project is being disrupted by editors who I personally know to be conscientious and dedicated contributors of long and good standing. In that there is now occurring what might be considered vandalism (the knowing altering of articles in a manner that is against Wikipedian and Project rules and policy), likely as a result of their strongly held views, I believe that this matter needs urgent addressing. I am copying this to the Policy talkpage, and to all the editors involved in formulating the new policy and the recent opponents. I suggest that this debate is taken there, and that this matter is decided in a civil manner in accordance with the principles of Wikipedia.


I am deeply saddened that it has come to this. I am depressed that editors (people) whose integrity and civility (not to say sheer fun) I had been proud to be associated with have acted in (what I see as) bad faith and flagrant disregard for the rules and guidelines of both Wikipedia and The Beatles Project. LessHeard vanU 00:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I recognise that you were not part of the discussions over at Policy and might therefore not be fully aware of the situation. LessHeard vanU 00:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. The appropriate place for discussion is at the Policy talkpage. LessHeard vanU 13:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Look what I found in earlier discussions regarding this point

The Beatles is correct as that is their legal name, and I believe it is registered as a trade name - as is "Beatles" - which would be pointless if it were not correct terminology. In discussing the group you are also discussing the legal entity and British law insists on the correct title within context. Grammaticians may argue semantics, but the name is established under Company Law.LessHeard vanU 20:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I have moved my position as I now do not believe that simply registering a variation (amongst many, I note that I was aware that Beatles singular was registered) indicates that it is the preferred usage. I'm going for Standard English as represented by OED and GCSE English Language Examination Boards. Do you have access to any of these sources? LessHeard vanU 13:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 11, March 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 011 – March 2007
Beatles News
  • On February 5, 2007, the Beatles' Apple Corps and Apple, Inc. (Apple Computer) announced a settlement of their latest trademark dispute involving use of the Apple trademark on the iTunes Music Store. In May of 2006, the High Court ruled in favor of Apple, but Neil Aspinall, manager of Apple Corps, vowed to appeal. Evidently, in the intervening months, the two companies negotiated a settlement. The settlement is discussed in this AP story. For background on the case, see Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. For fans, this may mean that Beatle music will be available someday on iTunes. Despite rumors of a February 2007 release, the material is still unavailalble.
Project News
  • There were no Project article adoptions for the month of February.
  • Project Policy has now been altered to reflect that the use of lowercase for the letter "t" of the word "the" in the Beatles is now considered the correct rendition.
Member News
  • New members to the project since the last issue include (although the first is a long time contributor who apparently has only just found the Participants section);
Tvoz
Freshacconci
Liamshaw
John Cardinal
Mezlo
ErleGrey
Captain Waters
Hey jude, don't let me down
Issue of the Month

See below. There is genuine concern that the Newsletter is getting stale in terms of content and variety, and that the same individuals are featured each month. Furthermore, lack of "news" is hindering the timely distribution as the editors wait for something to report. All Project editors are encouraged to give their news, suggestions and thoughts to keep the 'Letter vital and interesting. If making direct contributions do not appeal, please give a mention on the Newsletter talkpage and it will be incorporated!

From the Editors

Help is needed for the job of putting future Newsletters together. The present incumbent is finding it difficult to reflect the breadth of the Project, focusing on much the same individuals and articles each month, and has decided to beg for contributions from other individuals. Interested persons need only start working on next months issue to qualify. It really is that simple!

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delivered by ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 23:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Looney

Yes, because of the bird, and because of the play on words of Looney meaning "crazy", as in "Mulroney Looney", for the guy who foisted these dollar coins on the Canadian public. And it was logical to name the two-dollar coin the "Two-nee" (phonetically speaking) and you can't tell me it's a coincidence that it adds up to "Looney Tooney". Wahkeenah 17:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Looney Tunes

I wouldn't say admins end edit wars, but I'll keep an eye on things. —tregoweth (talk) 02:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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