Talk:Stevie Ryan
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[edit] Pictures
- I know the initial tendency will be to make the main image be Loca, but I think it would be better to put a pic of regular Stevie in the infobox, and then have pics accompany each account section, like a pic of Loca in that section, Brigitte in the oolaalaa section, etc. x 16:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Oh and let's face it, instead of pulling images from her site, we'll need to do captures from her vids. It's getting very hard to keep images on WP, and that seems the best way left. x 17:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- I realize that there are those at WP who are concerned about articles being inundated with too many images, but in the case of Stevie, I think it does serve to illustrate her various kinds of appearances, which is a significant part of what she's about. x 01:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notability
I know that there will be a concern about the notability of this person. Please discuss before doing anything. x 16:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
I'm predicting heavy vandalism in this article. Stevie can be controversial. She's also attractive, and sometimes that's all it seems to take.x 16:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] You Tube links
Providing You Tube links seems relavant since that's a main channel for Stevie's work, and makes it easy to see examples of what is referred to in the article. It could appear that the article takes on too much of a promotional flavor, but since Stevie's work is essentially online, it makes sense to provide convenient but informative access to it. I feel these links are illustrative, do not violate copyright, and are not being provided as sources. x 02:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Account sections
Before changing the section titles to a proper name format, please note that the titles are the account names, not peoples' names, because that's how the article is organized, mentioning character names that are involved in each of the accounts where applicable. x 02:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Some of what you have written needs to be (better) sourced. Apart from the cited articles, you probably got most of the content from videos and comments on YouTube, hardly reliable sources. E. g. that Faye006 is played by Stevie - a claim brought up by herself, although tongue in cheek, I think - is apparently not true (I'm taking bets on this ;-). There is no way in hell she is doing this voice, and there are numerous other clues that the guy who created "Faye006" is friends and may cooperate with but is by no means identical with Stevie Ryan. The final shot of the "cheaters" video where Stevie is holding the puppet was a pretty good joke, though. 84.178.163.182 00:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Some of what you have written needs to be (better) sourced. Probably true, that's something that still needs work. But most of the content; no, because you're right, videos and comments are not at all useful as sources. However, very few articles in WP purely adhere to just sourced info, and yes, some of the article hovers close to original research. But I'm also hoping to pull up some more sources as well. Can you help with that? x 01:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added a disclaimer about the links in the account sections. I'm not sure of there's a standard tag that can be used for this. x 18:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I've moved "example links" to an External Links list per WP standards.x 14:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've attempted to select examples that are informative, not violating copyright, and generally not offensive. x 14:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
At some point soon I'll break out the reference links to ref tags (footnotes). That will take time so won't be right away, unless others can help. So please don't jump on the article because of that. x 16:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Disclaimer for example links
I've put back the disclaimer that the pages may contain objectionable content. It's not just referring to the videos being shown, but refers to the actual YouTube pages where it's unpredictable what may appear in the comments as well, so I felt a caution only prudent. YouTube pages are in constant flux and profanity is not unusual. x 01:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Do whatever you feel is right, although to some it might appear prudish, not prudent. It very much looks like you are discrediting Stevie Ryans videos with this disclaimer, which reminds of similar activities at YouTube, where her videos have been "flagged", for no reason at all. It is quite odd that such a warning, and the fear of "profanity", again, would be used in a supposedly neutral article here on WP. 84.178.150.69 03:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POV
[edit] falsetto
with an unnaturally high-pitched male voice. was the text I removed. This is pure POV. "unnatural"" is always an opinion, and "high-pitched male voice", unless you have a reliable source beyond you own ear, is an opinion as well. Doesn't mean I don't agree with that opinion, it sounds that way to me too, but it's still POV.
and a male voice speaking in falsetto. Again, unless you have a reliable source beyond you own ear, it's just an opinion on your part.
I'll hold off changing it for a while until you can indicate how you know this voice is what you've indicated. x 23:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- "Unnaturally high-pitched" is actually the lexicon definition of "falsetto". There is nothing whatsoever opiniated about it! Only the deaf do not hear the difference between a typical male pitch (bass and tenor singing voice) and a female (alto and soprano). Those who don't know about these differences should and will refrain from commenting on such issues. Yes, I have a trained ear, but this is not the point. The voice in question is CLEARLY dark, with the resonance of an average baritone, speaking unnaturally high, i. e. in falsetto, also labelled "head-voice". This is a descriptive statement of fact. The source for the voice - where you could take measurements, if need be, is the LiveVideo channel. The voice sometimes speaks in normal mode, too. I'll look for the link. 84.178.150.69 02:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] profanity
"bad language" typical for poor African-American neighborhoods I removed because it was unecessarily inflammatory, and did not improve on the word "profanity" which it replaced. These anon edits by 84.178.163.182 and 84.178.155.193 are verging on vandalism. x 23:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Again, this is merely descriptive, a completely neutral statement of fact - I put "bad language" in quotes whereas you are using a term that clearly is a value judgement. So what is inflammatory is in fact your version to describe the language used. The expressions in question are: 1. shut the fuck up, 2. you a bitch, 3. you a hoe. These are expressions TYPICALLY and frequently used in rap music and similar artifacts originating in "poor AA neighborhoods" (short "hoods", sometimes also labelled "ghettos"). They are in fact frequently used in informal language by many AA, which is evident in many online discussions, also in comments sections on YouTube. This register of American English is employed so as to signify distance from other segments of American society. The expressions are not frequently used by Stevie Ryan, just in this video - presumably for a certain reason. The baby, the "boo", is apparently meant to be the product of a certain milieu. Again, to understand this you need some general knowledge. In this case of language and American society at large. If you don't agree, ask questions, or argue. Simply hurling insults at me will not wash. 84.178.150.69 03:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
