Talk:Steroids in baseball

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[edit] Proposed Deletion

That an article is considered NPOV is not a valid reason to delete it. Also, while this article certantly needs to be wikified, that it hasnt been touched in a month is a bit excessive when there are articles that have been so tagged for over a year. Are there better articles on this subject? If so, could you point them out so a merge or AfD can be considered? Resolute 05:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

There already is a properly written article about the current steroids investigation (2006 Baseball steroids investigation) and the Barry Bonds article already contains all the relevant information about his involvement in the current steroid scandal (as does the Balco article). The current article not only hasn't been wikified at all, it's also not even an encyclopedia entry - it reads like someone's personal blog ruminations. If not deleted (none of the well-researched articles about this subject even reference this page in any way), it certainly needs to be heavily gutted and rewritten. 67.23.84.171 14:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that this article does require virtually a complete rewrite, and I will set about trying to clean it up. However, while the Balco and 2006 Baseball steroids investigation deal with specific incidents, the problem of steroids, and drug use in general, pre-exists both of these cases. This article could act as a topical overview. Resolute 16:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Resolute, I can help out also after the next few weeks. A general overview can include some useful things like Tom House's allegations from the 70s. Perhaps maybe transitioning this into an area off the Doping in Sport article, Doping in baseball? Things like the Milner grand jury about Mays' amphetamine use or Rose's admissions are scattered throughout the various baseball drug articles. I would definitely like if someone would look over what I write - some of the pieces I've written for newspapers have to do with Bonds and I want to be careful about not crossing over into original research.DSZ 23:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I was thinking something along the same lines. Writing about the historical controversies regarding drug use in baseball would improve this article, I would think. I like the idea of calling the article Doping in baseball, and if nobody disagrees, I'll probably move the article shortly. At any rate, I have wikified this article with a few minor rewrites, and will begin to completely rewrite and reference the article in the next few days. I'm sure that we can write a much better article on baseball's dark side. Resolute 00:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite ongoing

I'm slowly rewriting and adding to this article. I've also populated it amongst other related articles. Resolute 04:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sosa-creatine

Creatine has been proven safe in hundreds and hundreds of studies. Additionally, maybe I'm worng but I don't remember any serious controversy surrounding Sosa regarding creatine in 1998. Quadzilla99 19:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)