Talk:Status of religious freedom in Sudan
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For a January 2005 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Discrimination against non-Muslims in Sudan
I urge all members to be on the lookout for OneGuy who has slapped a VFD on all discrimination articles against Islam. Kindly refute this effort by cross voting on all other discrimination pages
- Discrimination against non-Muslims in Pakistan
- Discrimination against non-Muslims in Sudan
- Islam and Mauritanian law
- Discrimination against non-Muslims in Iran
- Discrimination against non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia
- Discrimination against non-Muslims in Afghanistan
- Discrimination against non-Muslims in Malaysia
We need your votes so this can remain wikiepedia and not become Meccapedia--Malbear 05:52, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"From the website of the U.S. State Department" So not a neutral point of view then? Secretlondon
- We've generally accepted US govt statistical data--the CIA World Factbook has a good reputation--but this should be checked. Good point. Vicki Rosenzweig 13:02, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Actually, the US Dept. of State does a pretty good job of portarying things from a neutral point of view. None of the US State Dept. reports on religious freedom are written from a Christian perspective. They do have a point of view, of course; their stated view is that religious discrimination against people of any faith should ideally not exist. They make no effort to hide this view. That view is the propelling rationale for the creation of the annual International Religious Freedom Reports for every country. Of course, we Wikipedians can and do incorporate this info into the Wikipedia, and this text becomes subject to our own editing as needed. RK 13:11, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Why is this here? This is an encyclopedia, not the US web site. Moreover this material is highly biased by its very existance -- I can't find anything on the US web sites about the discrimination against Muslims in the US post-9/11, can you?
The reality of the Sudan is fairly straightforward. The Muslim-dominated northern areas have no natural resources, but do have all the shipping routes. The Christian and animist south sits on the oil, but has no access to shipping. Any Muslim/non-Muslim friction leads from this -- money, politics and a lack of any real education -- as it invariably does.
Let's get rid of this page, it's a waste of resources at best (it's already on the web), off topic in the middle, and insulting at worst. User:Maury Markowitz
- I am sad to see that you wish to censor information which you feel portrays some Muslim nations in a bad light. I guess its Ok for many nations to persecute Christians, Bahais, Sufi Muslims and Jews, but not for an encyclopedia to simply write about this issue? Nonsense. Maury, this encyclopedia already has extensive articles on Discrimination, Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, Persecution of Christians, Anti-Semitism, Slavery and many other related topics. So do a growing number of other encyclopedias. That is the only purpose of an encyclopedia; to discuss all subjects, as accurately as possible. The Wikipedia communal consensus has long been that such subjects deserve to be discussed in detail, as long as they are kept as factual as possible, and discussed in an NPOV fashion. We even have detailed discussions of slavery in the US, anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union, homophobia and persection of homosexuals in Islamic nations, etc. The persecution of Christians, Buddhists, Bahais, Jews and Sufi Muslims in many Islamic nations also can be discussed in a NPOV fashion. RK 20:25, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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- My complaint is that this article is already available on the web, in exactly the same form, and is therefore a waste of space. If someone is looking for this topic they will type it into google and find the original, and a direct copy here. This adds nothing.
And my complaint is that it is very hard to edit a large page written from one source. When it comes to external texts I think stubs are better. BL 10:37, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
