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Contents 1 We have a problem with the naming of articles 2 US Highway 320 in Oregon? 3 Redoing the list 4 Merging equals bad 5 The new route numbers 6 Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2 7 Flagging of OR 173

[edit] We have a problem with the naming of articles

The Highway numbers are unsigned. Routes are signed. The articles should be at Oregon Route XX. --SPUI (talk) 18:09, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I will be adding highway number cross-references to the name designations in the route articles, with a link to a secret highway number article I am adding. Dan ad nauseam 22:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I would recommend not creating a new article, as I think this article, State highways in Oregon, covers the difference between signed routes and unsigned highways sufficiently well. Besides, "secret highway number" is not an encyclopedic term, and a neologism besides.

I'd already tweaked your edits to Oregon Route 3 before I saw this. -- NORTH ^talk 22:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I was using the secret number terminology after seeing it used elsewhere. I won't object to the article being rejected. Dan ad nauseam 23:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I see you're changing the links to reflect what I did on OR 3. If so, you might want to consider tagging the secret highway number article with {{db-author}} to nominate it for speedy deletion.

Also, please read the message I left on your user talk page. -- NORTH ^talk 23:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

As part of the route/highway number cross-reference project, I have revised the OR 99E Bus article and part of the OR 99W article to conform the references to the format NORTH and I have agreed to. Comments always appreciated. Dan ad nauseam 00:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US Highway 320 in Oregon?

The page for U.S. Highway 320 doesn't mention anything about Oregon; it only mentions Wyoming. I've never heard anything about a US 320 in Oregon. Any references? --EngineerScotty 21:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to have existed. The 1925 plan had a US 320 in Idaho and Washington, but nothing in Oregon. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 06:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Er, looking at that a bit more, Oregon is typoed as Washington. So 1925 US 320 would have entered Oregon, but that was never posted, as US 20 was replaced by US 30 in and west of Idaho for the final (late 1926) plan. The US 30 article has some details. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 06:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redoing the list

1-199

200-999

Current Routes Former Routes 2 Route 3 Route 6 Route 7 Route 8 Route 10 Route 11 14 15 Route 18 (Business) Route 19 Route 22 23 26 Route 27 Route 31 32 Route 34 Route 35 Route 36 Route 37 Route 38 Route 39 Route 42 (42S) Route 43 Route 46 Route 47 50 Route 51 Route 52 Route 53 54 Route 58 Route 62 Route 66 Route 69 Route 70 Route 74 Route 78 Route 82 Route 86 (86S) 90 Route 99 (99E; 99E Business; 99W) Route 103 Route 104 (104S) Route 120 Route 126 (Business) Route 130 Route 131 Route 138 Route 140 Route 141 Route 153 Route 154 Route 164 Route 173 Route 180 Route 182 Route 194

Current Routes Former Routes Route 200 Route 201 Route 202 Route 203 Route 204 Route 205 Route 206 Route 207 208 209 Route 210 Route 211 Route 212 Route 213 Route 214 215 Route 216 Route 217 Route 218 Route 219 220 Route 221 Route 222 Route 223 Route 224 Route 225 Route 226 Route 227 Route 228 Route 229 Route 230 231 232 Route 233 Route 234 235 236 Route 237 Route 238 Route 240 Route 241 Route 242 Route 244 Route 245 Route 250 Route 251 Route 255 Route 260 Route 273 Route 281 Route 282 Route 293 Route 331 Route 332 Route 334 Route 335 Route 339 Route 350 Route 351 Route 361 Route 370 Route 380 Route 402 Route 410 Route 413 Route 414 Route 422 (422S) Route 429 Route 451 Route 452 Route 453 Route 454 Route 501 Route 528 Route 540 Route 542 Route 551

Route 372 is not listed in [1] but we have an article on it. Has it been decommissioned? Was it ever a Route, or only a Highway?

ODOT lists Route 372 as unassigned as of 1/22/07. Dan ad nauseam 22:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I recommend moving all the articles to either Route X (Oregon) or OR Route X (Oregon) - "Oregon State Route" is a neologism not used by ODOT. I can't figure out whether they use Route or OR Route more often - can someone who knows more about it comment on that? --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 06:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[2] is a very useful file, by the way. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 08:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging equals bad

Since Routes and Highways are entirely different things, these lists should not be merged. However, the routes section on the highway page should be moved here. Routes can run on several different highways (kind of like your commute runs on several different roads). Routes sometimes run on county roads as well as state highways. For example ROUTE Interstate-84 runs on both the Columbia River AND Old Oregon Trail HIGHWAYS. ROUTE 213 runs on Cascade HIGHWAY and Marion County ROADS. Bdag 05:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The new route numbers

I just checked ORS Ch. 366 and the 2002 special session records. I don't see any legislation mandating the new route numbers; are we sure this isn't just a decision within ODOT? Dan ad nauseam 22:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, I think the reference to 2002 legislation is in error. Dan ad nauseam 00:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you're right. Last time you asked, I looked into it, and can't find anything to say one way or the other. For now, I'm going to keep it as is with a big tag at the top of the section, since it's pointless to change it to anything else when we can't cite that either. -- NORTH ^talk 01:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that we should acknowledge the existence of the route numbering project, but leave it at that. The ODOT route list cites dates of establishment of the route numbers and posting status as of May 2005. Dan ad nauseam 03:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

You're totally right. 2002 was a special session of the legislature and they did not address the issue. The 2001 session was a regular session and no bills for that year refer to the numbering/naming of state highways. --Katt 07:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that someone is propagating this error on individual route pages. Can the editors do something about this? Dan ad nauseam 22:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I have them all on my watchlist and haven't noticed anything. Are you just referring to when the articles were originally created? If so, then yes, those probably need to be fixed. -- NORTH ^talk 01:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Quite possibly. I noticed it on the OR 551 page, which appears to be an original error. Dan ad nauseam 20:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2

This state's highway naming convention is up for debate above. Feel free to participate. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flagging of OR 173

Can someone take a look at OR 173 and figure out why it got flagged? 01:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean the {{confusing}} tag that the anon added? It must be because in the intro it says that it is Route 173, and later it says it is Highway 173. Katr67 01:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the IPs talk page and contributions, I think it would be fine to remove the tags, since no reason for the tagging was given in the first place. -- NORTH ^talk 02:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)