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[edit] Disambig

I was redirected here from a search for HVA... I was looking for the chemical though... And there is also the Herpes Virus Association. Could we put in a disambiguation link at the top? Thanks N i g h t F a l c o n 9 0 9 0 9' T a l k 20:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I moved the page from "STASI" to "Stasi" since nobody ever uses the capitalized version. -- Djmutex 15:11 21 May 2003 (UTC) Sorry, but many informations are wrong

  1. only a part of the MfS was an spy organisation the HVA (Hauptverwaltung Aufklärung)
  2. stasi was a bad organisation and a crime against the civil rights but it have nothing to do with the GeStaPo its more like NSA

I came from a social democratic fammily my parents and I had problems with all systems but my grandparents dys in an KZ and I think there is a big different between Nazideutschland and the DDR --80.108.102.143 17:18, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I would like to see the citation or evidence for this allegation: "..Many early Stasi officers were former officers of the Nazi SS with East German Communist leaders actively seeking former Gestapo and SD personnel to lead the Stasi in its formative years." I don't believe it--everything I've read tells me the East German communist goverment was much more thorough in their 'Entnazifizierung' than West Germany. I mean, why would East German communists actively seek out revanchist, rightwing former SS? As if they didn't have enough of their own Stalinist fanatics to fill the Stasi leadership ranks in the early days?? If the East German state did seek out former SS/SD, it would be to ship them off to the USSR and Siberian gulags to pay for their war-crimes. -JJR

I heartily concur, that as a policy Nazis, who were were brutal to the Communists and other Leftists during the rise of the third reich, would have been dealt with with little sympathy whether they had been S.A., or S.S. However, OTOH I wouldn't be shocked to hear about a handful who were consulted. Even the US sought information from and pardoned Nazi scientists and Japanese war criminals after all. But did they actively seek them out to fill their ranks? I find that very hard to believe. Khiradtalk
At the end of the war the franatic Russian communists putting together a ruthless secret police state in an occupied country ( effectively ) would find the skills of some former Nazis very very useful. Communism was, and is, much closer to Nazism than democracy. However to be NPOV many post-war German organisations in both parts of Germany used former Nazis, and I can't believe that even a large minority of the Stasi would be ex-Nazi. Simply because how would the communist government of East German trust them? David.j.james 13:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
A Former SA member may have been acceptable, if he joined after Hitler came to power, since the SA were purged in part for having Leftist leanings. Also, a former Nazi could use the defence that he had joined only because it made no difference wether he was a party member or not, he was simply trying to stay alive. If he could come up with evidence to show that he had sabotaged Nazi efforts, that may help him as well. Then thre would have been the experts who the Stasi needed, and those who managed to cover up thier past. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 150.101.102.188 (talk) 10:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

I specified that Walter Ulbricht was the East German leader, because the common reader shouldn't have to click the link, though the curious reader will. Just better form, which clarified the context more. I also used the term "leader" rather than secretary, to simplify the meaning for those unfamiliar with Soviet style Communist states. But as long as it is specified who Walter Ulbricht was, I don't care what term is used. Khiradtalk 23:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

I really think that the historical inmportance of this group is WAY understated if not all most non-existent. The length of spying we so great under this regime of "big brother" like atmostphere that to not list it here seems almost, well, planned. These people put cage traps on people toliets to make sure they were not flushing political stuff down the toliet. Also I think that the relationship between the Nazi Secret Service and the formation of the Stasi with under the style of the KGB is also not really layed out for the reader. I also would like to DISPUTE the pro-stasi stance here, and remind the reader that there is a difference between what are "leftist" and "marcsists" as I would more then assume they were saving Communists in south america, not just liberal, as the wording infers. I would also like to see the blurb on the "mass Survielence" page be added to this one, strange it isn't here as it would not be redundant and was the sole purpose of this group. But of course this is just my side of the discusion, one wanting cleary facts, less opinion.

The former Stasi headquarters were sold in 2004 for $1.50? Where is this information from?

[edit] Size

The current English article says STASI had 91,000 employees and 300,000 informers. The German article says 91,000 official and 100,000 unofficial coworkers, and dates this number to 1989. Both articles mention the estimage that 1 in 50 citizens collaborated, but in the German article this is limited to citizens between age 18 and 80. In both articles, these numbers should be given proper sources. The numbers are important, as it is often (and most probably correctly) claimed that GDR had the most comprehensive surveillance of any regime. --LA2 20:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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