Talk:Stars Are Blind

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[edit] Charts

Do we really need chart trajectories and chart performance? Chart performance is more then enough in my opinion, I have deleted the trajectories. Celebrity-Benji 23:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm considering deleting them again. We've got the charts with the peak positions, surely that's enough. Celebrity-Benji 17:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

No, we like chart trajectories :) -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparisons

Is it really useful to make the stylistic comparison? I question the validity of the Blondie one, but, in my opinion, if you're going to leave statements like those, then you need to leave a statement about other common comparisons, like the one to UB40's "Kingston Town," which is at least easier to hear. In my opinion, none of them actually add anything to the article and they should all go. GassyGuy 05:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

You have a point. The comparisons are interesting though, and have been common, Hilton herself has even commented on the comparison to Gwen, saying it's very flattering, so I say the comparisons should stay. I've restored the comparison to UB40. Celebrity-Benji 22:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

If you have a citation for the UB40 one, fine, keep it in, but really, it isn't too similiar. The only big one is that it is reggae. Plus, UB40 didn't do Kingston Town originally. It was a cover. Also, I deleted the "Oh My Darling" song link because the site has no credibility. First off, there is no evidence to show that the tape really was from 1984, or that they really sent it into Warner Records. And then there is no evidence that they are similiar songs. Listening to the track (which was terribly recorded), the only similiarity that I could hear was that both were reggae at their most simplistic. For instance, the vocal melodies are completely different. It just sounds like someone desparately trying to get some press. --THollan 19:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, the song is truly a rip-off of Kingston town. I state this because I am actually a reggae drummer who has listened to the song Kingston town a million times, and yes, I came to this page specifically to look and see if anyone had the same thoughts on the song. To no suprise, in the first paragraph, it's stated clearly, and rightfully so. I listened to Stars are blind and it took no more than 30 seconds (on my first listen!) to say "You know, they ripped the bassline and drums from Kingston town." Most likely the guitars are the exact same notes also as the keyboard in Kingston town and the vocals are very similar sounding, although not an exact copy. The most obvious similarity is the bassline, anyone with half a brain can tell its basically the exact same bassline. The drums are also very similar, even the break with the *tick tick bang bang* right before the chorus, there is a very similar drum roll in Kingston town. Naturally to one who doesn't listen to a lot of reggae, it might all 'sound the same' but if you've listened to it alot, you're very well aware of the nuances. That being said, I honestly feel whoever produced the track for her clearly ripped off Ub40 - I can say this without question or pause, its blatant if you've ever listened to Kingston Town enough. I was actually coming to check if they had credited Ub40 in any sense, and they didn't. This is suprising. The similiarity, while not "vanilla ice" obvious, makes one question why Ub40 was not credited. I wonder why a serious issue hasn't been raised about the similarity yet, if I were ub40 I would be very offended and would sue. To me they are that similar and I sincerely hope to see the quip about Ub40 remain on this page, as it is a valid argument. People complaining about 'citing' this is rather unfair, the similarity it presents is so straightfoward that a critical review in a published article is not necessary to pose a statement like this. Maybe phrase it more neturally like "Comparisons have been made and questioned have been raised regarding the similarity of Stars are Blind to Ub40's Kingston Town" would be more appropriate. But to leave this out is to spit in the face of ub40 (as the song already does to reggae music itself.) Also, yes, ub40 didn't write Kingston Town originally, but at least they *CITE THEIR SOURCES* (;)) and appropriately credit the original author with authorship. Also, their version is arranged noticeably different. Whereas the arrangement on Paris' track is basically, imho, derived completely from Ub40's kingston town. Please don't remove that from the article. --Goneja Dec 16 -2006

there is no citation for the likeness, obviously hyped, to actual singers such as Blondie or Stefani. having searched for a link the closest i got was a sarcastic likeness only. it is POV and should go to save confusion. 195.93.21.7 22:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

1) I have no problem with the "Oh My Darling" thing being deleted. It's not implausible, but it's hopelessly unverifiable. 2) "Kingston Town" - It's actually pretty easy to hear similarities, both in the music used and the vocal style. It doesn't really matter that the UB40 version isn't the original, because it's their arrangement that it resembles. As for a source, one's ears should be enough, but is this one suitable for you? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/26/arts/music/26choi.html 3) I'd kind of like to see a reliable source for the Blondie comparison, which I don't hear at all. Even if you take some of Blondie's more reggae releases like "The Tide Is High" there really isn't a great deal of similarity other than reggae influences. GassyGuy 02:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not gonna argue with the New York Times (but I could be a crank). I think when it comes to stylistic comparisons, especially to other artists's songs, it's important to have a citation since it is rather subjective. Just saying "Well, if you hear both songs, you'll know" isn't good enough for the kid who hasn't heard UB40 and Paris Hilton's track. However, with citation, all is good and well for UB40. Frankly, I'm just waiting for an article to call this song incredibly boring and unmoving so we can have a cited critic say that for the article. --THollan 05:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)