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[edit] Isn't it the StarTribune?
- This might be a bit of pedantic nonsense, but I'm almost sure it's officially the 'StarTribune' (no space). Look at the linked logo. Just from memory, but I think that the change happened right when they officially dropped the 'and'. -- abg Dec 31, 2005
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- I would have agreed, but taking a look around, there are plenty of Star[space]Tribune references also. This is linked from the front page: http://www.startribunecompany.com/company/ and uses a space in the title of the page and elsewhere.Rufus Sarsaparilla 01:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Strib as a nickname
- I'm a local, and I've never heard anybody call it the strib. --Benna 06:09, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- I am also a local, and "strib" is what everyone calls it. "Star and Tribune" is a long name! If it will help, here is a Google search for "Strib". You will see that most of the first page of refrences are to the Star Tribune. Their company owns stribstuff.com and stribmail.com, so even they call it that.
- MicahMN | Talk 15:11, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- I hear "star trib" sometimes, but I can't remember ever hearing strib. Nobody calls it the "Star and Tribune," they call in the Star Tribune. Whatever, I just don't think its really worth a mention so prominent at the beginning of the article.
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- Huh? I've lived in the Twins for 20 years, and in the Strib's distribution area my whole life - and "Strib" is the primary nickname, far and away. Furthermore, the local/area media calls it the "Strib" when in doubt. I can't see any question that Strib should be included. Mitchberg 21:04, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
- Star and Sickle is another possible name, I am told.
- Sign your comments, harpy. -66.41.27.200 01:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- dmb- Strib as a formal nickname
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- This is funny, and a good example of mental induction, in that if me and my friends do it, think it, feel it, etc., then so does everybody else...
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- >> I'm a local, and I've never heard anybody call it the strib. --Benna 06:09, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- >> I am also a local, and "strib" is what everyone calls it.
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- everyone? anyway, everyone I know calls tacobell tacohell, and k-mart hellmart, and home depot the home despot, but does that mean it should be in wikipedia as, for example, BurgerKing as "also called BurgerDong"?
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- Also, just cause employees use a nickname, that doesn't make it general fodder either. I worked there, and sure, the intranet was called stribnet, the little internal newletter was stribnews, and employees were stribbers.
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- So, what's my point: oh, just cause people love or hate something doesn't mean it's good journalism, and there is always a crowd that insists on using nicknames for things with perfectly good if not long formal names. the question here is, is it a sidenote or a real part of the meaning of the StarTribune, as far as the wickedped is concerned?
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- if me and my friends do it, think it, feel it, etc., then so does everybody else
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- Well, that's a bit of a strawman. This has nothing to do with my friends/acquaintances and I; it's an observation that "Strib" is a very common nickname, especially among media people in (and out of) the Twin cities. I suspect that if you polled 1000 Twin Citians about their nicknames for the paper, "Strib" would be the most common nick (although I myself will not pay for the polling to prove it).
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- A better question might be "Is it an appropriate subject for Wikipedia?" Does the encyclopedia reader care about "strib" - a fairly innocuous nickname? (The "Star and Sickle" is much more interesting, BTW - it refers in part to the roots of the pre-Humphrey MN DFL party as apologists for Stalin in the '30's and '40's, and paper's perceived (whether you believe it or not) support of the DFL over the years).
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Mitchberg 16:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV - "liberal" bashing
I deleted the paragraph on the "perceived liberal bias" until someone rewrites it in NPOV, which it was not because:
- the whole paragraph used a "conservatives think..." addendum as a flimsy excuse to express a biased opinion;
- the whole paragraph is devoted to purported views of conservatives with no mention of any competing views; and
- endorsement of any Democrat/DFL candidates is described as "inexplicabl[e]".
64.12.116.202: Pointing out that people call the paper the Red Star is a slur on communism? Please explain how so. I put in a statement of fact -- many people do indeed refer to the paper that way. I don't necessarily agree with it myself, although I think it is kind of funny as a protest. I can think of many reasons why that factoid may not be appropriate for this article, but not because it is a communism slur, whatever that means. Rufus Sarsaparilla 01:13, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- If it's a statement of fact, you need to supply an external reference that shows people calling it. It's a slur because no matter what you may think of the paper, saying it is a Communist paper is ridiculous. Anyone who has actually had to live under Communism and had to deal with state-controlled media and the lie-filled, reality-adverse newspapers so published, would be offended to hear the Star Tribune called a communist newspaper. It's an affront to the people who really had to struggle against real communism.
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- Well, let's see. Searching Google for star tribune and "red star" yields over 80,000 hits. Near the top is an entry at answers.com: http://www.answers.com/topic/minneapolis-star-tribune. I think there's a difference between calling it the "Red Star" in jest and in calling it a communist newspaper. That seems to be your interpretation that goes with the particular crusade you're on. My own interpretation would be that people who call it that are alluding to what they think of as its support for liberal polices that are more in line with socialism and communism (again, in their opinion). But you seem quite agitated and gee we'd hate to offend your sensibilities, so maybe we'll just let it be. Rufus Sarsaparilla 01:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
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- The reference you cite is a false echo, another site that just copies Wikipedia content. (It's a copy of an older version of this article that had even more Star Tribune = Communism nonsense.) People looking into verifying Wikipedia articles often fall for false echoes. But looking at the other google hits, they are real and you are right, there are a lot of "Red Star" uses. They all seem to be from political blogs, where absurd name calling is the lingua franca. Bush is a Nazi, Hillary is a Communist, and so on. Yuck. I'm old enough to know that Nazi and Communist mean something, I guess these Moorites and O'Reillybrains don't. Yuck. I don't care, call the newspaper whatever you want, none of this means a goddam thing anymore. Sense is lost. Happy New Year. Signed, Anon and thankful for it.
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[edit] Hatchet Job
I'm sorry, but this edit was in incredibly bad form.
For starters, the issues about the Strib's editorial bias, while a matter of conservative opinion, were originally stated using fairly detached language. The NPOV edit was done, I think, from a POV.
Second, the removal of the paragraph left a very awkward transition to the next paragraph, which provides an alternative ("...however...") to a statement that was erased.
Mitchberg 03:30, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
- I have no dog in this hunt, but the cite for "liberal bias" in the removed material was very lame. It was a long Powerline piece about how the Star Tribune's polls are always wrong. Well, lots of polls are wrong, so what? It's more art than science. Powerline then claims that Republicans won't vote in elections if polls say their candidates might lose. I doubt that's true, and if it were, it would speak more poorly of Republican voters than of pollsters. Basic tenets of personal responsibility say that you cast your vote, regardless of who's predicting what. Otherwise you deserve to have the candidate you don't like elected.
- In any case, I restored the original text, minus the Powerline bit and minus the hyperbolic comparison of the paper with Communism. I also trimmed down the gay pride claim on the other side. What I would say is, if you don't like what a paper prints, don't buy it. Personal responsibility notions solve a lot of problems!
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- Which is why I haven't bought the Strib in years.
Good edits, generally.
Mitchberg 12:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I've read a number of articles about the Star-Tribune sale and they all make a big deal about how it was sold for half of what McClatchy paid for it. Even if you read the entirety of this entry, you'll see an inconsistency to that statement. The purchase wasn't of the Star-Tribune, it was of Cowles Media which had, apparently, a number of magazine and holdings, which it sold off keeping only the Star-Tribune. I heard that McClatchy was able to pay off the debt of the original purchase in under two years, I recall reading somewhere. I'm sure part of that was from the sale of the other holdings. Also, the recent sale allowed for a recoup in taxes of about $160 million according to McClatchy's press release which makes the sale really worth about $690 million. To say that McClatchy sold the paper for half of what it bought it for seems somewhat misleading.
