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[edit] Archive Complete

I just finished archiving this talk page. I didn't move any disscussions from the archive, because they did not appear active. I started at 13:14:40 on 2007-01-18, and finished at 13:53:10 on 2007-01-18. I added a table of archives above. If you have any questions, post here or on my user talk page. --Ashfire908 19:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You were never properly thanked for this. Thanks, Andrew. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BCSWowbagger (talkcontribs) 22:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] GA

Wait until the film is released to nominate it, o and you missed this PLEASE DO NOT NOMINATE FILMS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN RELEASED AS DETAILS WITHIN THE ARTICLE MAY CHANGE BEFORE IT IS RELEASED. M3tal H3ad 01:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a copy of what I wrote here We discussed this before in Talk:Harry_Potter_and_the_Order_of_the_Phoenix_(film)#GA_comment (there's also another comment in the section below that) and I also recently put a hidden comment to not include future films, mainly due to their lack of stability as the release date comes closer and there is a fury of new details, plot summaries, box office figures, critical reviews, etc. Also I'd say that this film is not going to be released until 2008, where a lot of details can change, there's a possibility of it being cancelled (highly, highly doubtful, but possible), and the cast changing. I'd wait for it to be released and then renominate it a month or so after the surge of editing dies down when it's released. It looks like a really good article though, so keep up the good work. --Nehrams2020 02:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fail

Look, it's unstable. I bet when this film is out the article will have radically changed. No sense in nominating it now. Wiki-newbie 21:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering that the film is not even guaranteed to be produced, I have to agree. If this article was considered a candidate for GA nomination, then it would give leeway to an FA nomination. This makes no sense, considering that this article is in violation of the crystal ball policy, as there is no definite news that this film will be produced. Even if the film is made, there will be huge changes to the article -- the Storyline and Fan reaction sections are going to be entirely changed when/if the film comes out. —Erik (talkcontribreview) - 22:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abrams NOT Directing Trek XI?

http://movies.ign.com/articles/762/762183p1.html New as of February 7th. --Anonymous 11:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Symbol

This article states:

However, beginning in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, the symbol was adopted as the logo for all of Starfleet, and thereafter was used in marketing collateral as a universal symbol of the entire Star Trek franchise.

If I recall, the star fleet personnel on Epsilon IX in The Motion Picture have their own unique uniform symbol, where as in Star Trek II the crew of the USS Reliant have the Enterprise symbol on their uniform. This suggests TWOK, not TMP.--203.6.205.22 00:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

*sigh* We've had this discussion at least six times before. You're right, 203.6.205. The editors have previously agreed on Star Trek II. Somebody must have snuck in and changed it without anyone's noticing. --BCSWowbagger 22:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interview

I was reading an interview on StarTrek.com where it said that they are currently planning on "Star Trek" being the title, nothing else. I don't want to move the page to that until somebody else thinks I should. For refference, http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/46176.html. Supergeeky1 00:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the move

I see that the move has happened, but shouldn't it have been to Star Trek (2008 film) per the WP:NC(F) (and its example: Titanic (1997 film)? — pd_THOR | =/\= | 19:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Should probably be Star Trek (film), per the same reasoning. Rockpocket 19:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
True, and redirect both (2008 movie) and (2008 film) to that. Agreed. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 19:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Done, and I've fixed double redirects. However there is now a whole lot of links pointing to Star Trek XI, so if anyone fancies trawling through them all.... [1] Rockpocket 19:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The original is entitled Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Adding a note at the front would help matters. Have a look at The Transformers: The Movie and Transformers. WikiNew 19:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Most people already know the first film as "The Motion Picture." Also, I'm going to re-word the first line. "Star Trek is the title of the planned..." It sounds weird to talk about the title in the first line. If anyone doesn't like my re-wording, feel free to rv. Koeho 22:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The moving of this article was premature. The title has yet to be accepted by Paramount; the writers merely stated their intention that it be named Star Trek, with no sub-titles. I think it should be moved back to Star Trek XI until official word of the title is released. --From Andoria with Love 00:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, this is the closest to an official notice we've received so far. We know that it won't actually be called Star Trek XI, so to just leave it here in the interim is "more correct" than moving it back. It's also less likely to be moved form here than it would be at "XI", so I say let it be. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 00:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Nevertheless, the working title of upcoming films should always be used as the article's title until an official announcement from the studio. Not before. The article for the Batman Begins sequel wasn't changed to The Dark Knight until after official announcement from the studio. --CmdrClow 07:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Previous edit

I just saw this on here, and I couldn't help but laugh. This was already reverted.

Shatner also indicated he would play his own Father in the new movie, and that his character would oppose James Kirk's entry into Star Fleet. Patrick Stewart has confirmed that he will play James Kirk's Star Fleet Academy instructor. Stewart said, "I am pleased to be working with Bill Shatner again"

--myselfalso 21:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


Star Trek (film)Star Trek XI — "[T]he working title of upcoming films should always be used as the article's title until an official announcement from the studio." -- Stemonitis 16:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

[edit] Survey - in support of the move

  1. Support It makes sense as there are a lot of Star Trek films and this is rather ambiguous under the current name. Simply south 19:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support There has been no official studio confirmation in regards to the name of the title. Until an official announcement is made, it would be inappropriate to call this film the rumored title started by the writers. They specifically said it was the title they were hoping for. That is by no means confirmation. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. The title for The Dark Knight was only moved from Untitled Batman Begins sequel until after official confirmation through a Warner Bros. press release. Why should different rules apply to this article?--CmdrClow 10:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey - in opposition to the move

  1. Oppose as Star Trek is the film's working title, as cited in the article. To move would be in violation of WP:ATT and be false information. Alientraveller 19:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  2. Oppose, but for the rather weak reason that I hate seeing the kind of rename war that took place with the Battlestar Galactica articles. Star Trek does appear to be the most quoted working title (and perhaps the real title), despite the lack of confirmation on startrek.com. -- Scjessey 21:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  3. Weak oppose. Star Trek appears to be the film's current working title, but we don't have official confirmation. Star Trek XI was the working title before that, per IMdB, if nothing else. And it will probably be moved again, anyway. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 22:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose. Whats the point? In time there will be official confirmation of the final title, until then we can debate the "officiality" of working titles all we want. Might as well save us all the time and effort of jumping from placeholder to placeholder and make the move - should we need to - when an official statement is made. Rockpocket 22:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  5. Strongly oppose. Star Trek is the film's current working title. The writers want it to be called Star Trek - if they want it, then they're running with the Star Trek title for the moment. Which makes it the working title. This doesn't mean that it will still be called Star Trek when it's released, however, but that's no reason to change it back to Star Trek XI. The next Star Trek movie is not going to be called Star Trek XI. It would be simply shocking if it was.
    I think it's not worth moving it again. But, IMDB even calls it Star Trek. Their title says Star Trek (2008).Just keep it here until the official title is released. For what it's worth, the official poster doesn't have a title on it. Heck, you could even move this to untitled Star Trek film. --myselfalso 22:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose. It's been called Star Trek by the trade paper Variety, and IGN says, "The plan is to simply call the film Star Trek -- with no subtitles, Roman numerals, or colons anywhere in the name." Not only does it seem to be the working title, it may very well be the permanent title. I don't believe that Star Trek XI has been anything but a placeholder name. Correct me if I'm wrong, but even so, the recency of Star Trek beats out Star Trek XI in terms of titling. —Erik (talkcontribreview) - 00:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  7. Oppose; without a reliable source for Star Trek XI as the working title, we do have them for "Star Trek". — pd_THOR | =/\= | 15:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments:
  • Is there a WP:RS for Star Trek XI being the working title? Or is it simply a widely accepted placeholder? — pd_THOR | =/\= | 17:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  • IMDB calls it such [2]. --Stemonitis 17:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  • IMDB also calls the movie Star Trek (2008). --myselfalso 22:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The working title is Star Trek according to the writers. Alientraveller 17:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I would not rely on IMDb as the authority for official titling. The site has the Superman Returns sequel as Superman: The Man of Steel, which IGN says was reported as a rumor by IESB.net, with "no comment" from the studio. One of the most recent authoritative citations in Variety does not acknowledge this so-called title, only calling it a sequel to Superman Returns. —Erik (talkcontribreview) - 00:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Result

With the general consensus against moving the article to Star Trek XI, the matter is hereby closed. The article will remain at Star Trek (film). —Erik (talkcontribreview) - 23:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

No, it isn't over until the five days are up. Process is important. The majority is unlikely to change, but making decisions out of process opens up the possibility of claims of bias and unfairness. Let it run its course. --Stemonitis 08:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 17:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)