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Contents 1 Classification 2 World speed record 3 iQue? 4 Do_A_Barrel_Roll 5 Movie refs. 6 Trademark Issue 7 Featured Article 8 Suggestion for Routes 9 Cultural refs. 10 Planets 11 Transformers 12 Speed Run Section....? 13 Revert on January 19, 2007 14 Use of Second Person - Story Section

[edit] Classification

Personally, I'd class it as an on-rails shooter. Any reason why the current scrolling shooter is more accurate? --Nick R 22:36, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's kind of a toss-up, I guess. While most of the game is on-rails, there is some freedom is some levels. I would just put it in the shooter game category. Thunderbrand 23:38, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] World speed record

What's the source for the world speed record info? Silverfish 22:32, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

I dunno. Can't find anything on the internet about it. I guess it should be removed then if no sources can be found. Thunderbrand 03:21, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

I've removed this, as I can't find a reference anywhere either. I have tracked down a couple of references to a Carl Hesler of Brookings, South Dakota. There an article about a spelling bee, where he finished third: [1]. There is also a webpage called The Unofficial book of nerd records, where he is mentioned a number of times, including "Galaga High Score with feet".Silverfish 17:27, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

It seems kinda easy; I got appx. 33 min on Expert mode :D . And when I say approxamately, I mean using my computer clock and cutting out a 15 min dinner break... The other one, though, on normal mode; five minutes away, not counting cinemas... DarkLink Metroid 02:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The current records posted are according to the best speedrunning site on the web, speeddemosarchive.com. I also go by Psonar on that site and I've recently submitted some new speedruns which are in verification right now. When they are posted as official records at SDA, I'll make the update here. My record will replace Mike "TSA" Damiani's 27:29 with a 25:41. I've also completed 2 other runs: an Expert 100% run which collects all 15 medals in Expert Mode in a single sitting in 1:24:51 and an Expert Redline Run which completes the final ending of the game on the most advanced path (commonly called the "redline" path) in 35:30. These runs are all on the NTSC version, so SuperCoolAl's time won't be affected. When my run's are approved at SDA, I might need some help updating wikipedia, but that's my input for now. [I didn't know how to sign this message several days ago, so I'm signing it now]Psonar 17:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

My speedruns have come out at Speed Demos Archive and I updated the Speedrunning section of the article to reflect this. If anyone would like to improve the formatting of that section since I'm not very fluent in wikipedia tags, then feel free! Psonar 00:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] iQue?

It seems Star Fox 64 was ported to the iQue thingy in China. IGN lists it, but I can't find any other info about it, such as the date it was released. Anyone else find anything? Thunderbrand 00:28, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

N-sider says it was released in China on November 21, 2003. [2] Also, if you go to this site [3] and click on "more...", there is a screenshot of the title screen of Star Fox 64 on the iQue, which says "© 1997-2003 Nintendo © 2003 iQue", confirming that it was released in 2003. Jaxl 01:42, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Thunderbrand 01:44, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Do_A_Barrel_Roll

why is "Do_A_Barrel_Roll" redirected to this acticle?

So someone wouldn't go and create a whole article about a quote from a video game. Thunderbrand 23:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

There are many quotes that link to articles, and this is in fact very useful. Suppose someone has heard of and knows of a particular famous quote, but does not know where it originated. That person could enter the quote into the search box and find out exactly where it originated. The reader may even gain newfound interest in the subject as well, and could end up vaing a valuable contributor to Wikipeadia. Therefore, the reference will stay active. Stovetopcookies 01:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense, "Do a barrel roll" is on the List of Internet Memes.

Please sign your posts with four tildes "~" (Shift + the key to the left of "1"). Stovetopcookies 01:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Remeber there is a page for All your base are belong to us. Why not one for do a barrel roll? ~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Willy105 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Movie refs.

Since it was removed, here are some links where they are referenced...

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• [6]

I will re-add them and properly cite them later. Thunderbrand 00:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Taken care of. Robert 02:00, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Thunderbrand 04:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure if reviews establish those references as objective facts... The Star Wars references were probably intentional, but the music sounding like Independence Day is possibly a subjective thing. --DJH47 06:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trademark Issue

Please can anyone expand on the trademark issue which forced StarFox 64 to be renamed Lylat Wars in Europe and Australasia? 87.240.131.180 00:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

There is more at Star Fox (Atari 2600). Thunderbrand 00:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Article

I went ahead and added a whole bunch to the Gameplay section.

The biggest things, I think, that need changing are the different Routes sections. We don't need a level-by-level walkthrough of the game, just a summary of the main plot points and an explanation of how the route-choosing system works.

Once that's taken care of I think we should nominate this article for Featured Article status. --3000zebs-(talk to me) 22:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

This isn't at FA status yet. There's a bucketload* of original research that needs to be gotten rid of or sourced, and (like you say) there's excessive amounts of text on the different routes. A section on the game's development wouldn't hurt either. Nor would doubling the number of references -- Steel 22:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
*May not actually be a bucketload, but there is some.

Hey, if you can figure out a better way to format the routes, then please go ahead and fix them. They had to be the biggest problem for me when I helped get this article up to GA status. Though make sure we don't simply go back to bullet points.

As for development, I'll see if I can help work on a section for that this weekend. Robert 22:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Why do we have an absolutely colossal section on routes anyway? -- Steel 22:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

How do we reference a lot of the information if it's just from playing the game? The only source I can think of citing is the instruction manual.

About formatting the Routes sections, is it necessary that we have them? We might only need an explanation of how it works in the Gameplay section and the picture of the map.--3000zebs-(talk to me) 23:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

They're probably not necessary, though since there's so many different paths the story can take, they were just the best idea I had at the time. So to answer your question Steel, I got carried away with turning bullet points into prose, since I think prose is preferred.

And I don't see a big problem with citing from the instruction manual a lot. Take a look at the amount of refs from Star Fox Adventures manual. Robert 23:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have an instruction manual, so somebody who has one please do the references.--3000zebs-(talk to me) 23:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The instruction manual is available on www.arwinglanding.net I believe... as well as other information on the game. The site is a Star Fox series fansite. [I didn't know how to sign a few days ago so I'm signing now] Psonar 17:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion for Routes

I think I might have a good solution to most of the problems with the Routes sections, I have a copy of my idea of how it should be here

If we agree with it we can just move it over here and change anything that needs improvement. --3000zebs-(talk to me) 22:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

This game's story is almost nonexistant and can be summed up in two or three paragraphs. -- Steel 13:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

i disagree, the game's story is important to the article. I honestly think the article i wrote above sums it up pretty well.--3000zebs-(talk to me) 21:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't say the story is unimportant (though come to think of it, it is), I said there's hardly any there to tell. Lylat System gets invaded, Star Fox comes in to save the day. -- Steel 23:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

So is my version too long? You can shorten it wherever you think it's necessary

Unless somebody tells me otherwise, I'm going to put my version into the article tomorrow--3000zebs-(talk to me) 21:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

There we go. [7]. -- Steel 21:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but I think you're version actually is better. I just fixed some grammar and junk and then put it into the article.--3000zebs-(talk to me) 23:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for reverting your edit without reading the talk page thoroughly first, but I just don't know that deleting over 10 paragraphs of data will help the push to FA status. It was already GA status with the thick routes section, and there are plenty of FA-class articles that are as descriptive. If you are insistent on the changes discussed, I will not interfere further. Just want to throw my opinion out there. Maybe go through FAC with the big Routes section and find out what they think. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 23:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The GA process is broken, even terrible articles can become GAs on the whim of one editor who may not even be a very good editor. And I don't know about Zebs, but I am insistent on these changes. -- Steel 00:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

If anyone is still interested in improving this article for the sake of the game and the article regardless of wikipedia status, then I'd be glad to help as I'm able. I'm very knowledgable in the game. I hold high score records, speedrun records, and have done a low score run and actively follow many sites concerning this game including Gamefaqs/Gamespot, Arwing Landing, Speed Demos Archive, N64 High Scores, CyberScore, Twin Galaxies, neoseeker, youtube, and anywhere I can find activity concerning the game. I don't know enough about wikipedia to tackle this myself, but I can help someone who's willing.Psonar 00:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural refs.

I think we need to do some cleanup on the "cultural references" section. Aside from being a list, half of them are unsourced and mainly function as a trivia section. A few of them aren't really that notable to be mentioned, such as the recently added part about the Death Star and ROTJ. Thunderbrand 17:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the bit about the arwing twisting and diving in the same way as the falcon in empire strikes back is too vague to be in here. just because it twists and dives doesn't mean its a reference to ESB. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.61.8.39 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Planets

We need information on the planets of the Lylat System. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rouge2 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

There is a List of Star Fox planets and locations. Thunderbrand 17:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transformers

"Do a Barrel Roll" was one of many proposed snippets of dialogue to be said by Optimus Prime in the Transformers movie, as part of an online contest. Is that worth mentioning, or does the fact that it's only a potential reference (as opposed to an actual reference) make it too obscure to bother putting in the article? 71.127.200.35 23:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a little too obscure. There is enough trivia anyway. Thunderbrand 18:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds important to me. If that happens, then it's worth mentioning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Willy105 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Speed Run Section....?

Is this section even needed in this article? Most articles about games do not have speed run information. It seems a bit silly to post someone's time records on an encyclopedia article. Other articles just offer it in their external references section instead of creating an entire section for it. Self promotion by user? Shao-Yoshi

I tend to agree. How important is speedrunning, really? Is it picked up on a consistent basis by the mainstream gaming press?--Nydas^(Talk) 20:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Typically it is mainly discussed in online communities and forums such as the speed demos archives website. It isn't really related to the article, nor does it add anything to it and it makes the article seem like a fan-made wiki entry. If more gaming articles contain speed runs sections, then it should be fine, but because currently this is not the case, it doesn't seem suitable. A section on speedruns could be replaced with a more credible section on the game's soundtrack etc. Shao-Yoshi

I'm the person with most of the speedrun records for this game and when I accomplished those records there was already a speedrun section in the article, so I edited it to reflect the progress I had made - I was not intending to self-promote, but to update the facts. Many in the online gaming community would say that speedruns are important because they are a type of video gaming world record. I think that a minor reference to the record site for speedrunning (speeddemosarchive.com/StarFox64.html) and high scores (geocities.com/n64highscores/StarFox64.html) would be appropriate. Also speedruns at Speed Demos Archive are documented by video footage, as are some of the game's high score accomplishments. References to such videos would add to the quality of any video game article. Psonar 02:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revert on January 19, 2007

I have reverted the following edit.

• Recently, Scott Ramsoomair, creator of the webcomic VGCats, has created a webcomic of Starfox, between Fox and Falco, consisting of a legitimate dialogue using only quotes from Starfox 64, found here: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=223

The reason for this is that the section of the article this was in is about cultural references in the game, not about other material making refrences to this game. JONJONAUG 14:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Second Person - Story Section

I noticed a notification at the top of this article saying that it contained inappropriate use of first or second person, so I searched and found the word "you" used at the end of the story section in the spoiler about the Area 6 to Venom route. I corrected it to be third person, but I think the writing could still use improvement. Psonar 00:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)