Talk:Stalking
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[edit] Psychology And Mental Health Of The Stalker
While there is exclusive literature about the mental state and psychological problems of the stalking victim, I think the same should be contributed to that of the stalker.
Psychology of, in particular, obsessional stalking, has not been researched much and I think this should also be noted and that the DSM has failed to yield any answers for the mental condition and diagnosis of stalkers besides the disorder, erotomania ( in which a delusion has to be present).
- That actually isn't true. Mullen and Meloy have both research the psychology of stalkers. Not surprisingly, there is a high rate of borderline and narcissistic personality disorders amongst them. 70.237.27.111 17:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Added readings, and put back cited sources that were removed
These books are highly respected within the stalking support community and health community--Mullen and Meloy are considered the top experts in the field.
Also, I replaced the citations that had been removed from the list with the question that they may have been covered earlier. None of them appear earlier in the article--though one comes from the same website, none of them come from the same page or article. Besides, it is common for any article written anywhere to refer to the same source more than once. Even when that occurs, the sources needs to be cited. All points in the article need to be verifiable, according to Wikipedia policy. This can be with books, articles, or reliable web documents, but everything needs to be backed up with sources, even if they are redundant. As it stands, there are few sources cited anywhere in the article. Aine63 22:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Uncited information
Please do not add anymore uncited information to this article. All information should be added with a link to the source, or a reference to a book. There is already too much info here that isn't backed up, and if the sources don't get added soon, it too will be deleted. Aine63 19:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Missing word?
"The stalking may be so subtle that the victim may not even aware that it is happening". Should that be "may not even be aware that"? Is there a verb 'aware' that I'm not ... you know ... aware of? (English is not my native language.) Suede 19:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- lol, you are right. Thanks for the heads up. Aine63 22:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Target of External Resources
I couldn't help but notice that all of the provided external resources (links, etc.) are oriented at helping someone deal with being stalked. Not all situations where someone believes or claims they are being stalked are really what the "victim" claims or believes it to be; sometimes, fear of a stalker may be the result of paranoia, and other times, the "stalker"'s actions do not qualify them as a stalker. I'd imagine there must be at least one resource somewhere for people who are accused of stalking. Although, from a legal/criminal/justice standpoint, this could potentially allow some real issues to go unresolved, it would also provide information that could help the innocent, who are in a sense becoming the victims, as accusations are made against them. Is it not a purpose or goal of Wikipedia to provide accurate, detailed information on all aspects of an issue? And yes, this is my first editing action on Wikipedia. I acknowledge that I have formed some opinions already on the issue, but it would be nice to see that such opinions are not being disregarded. Lastly, if my message looks like it belongs on a forum and not an Edit page of a Wiki, that is because I have never done this before. Were-Aardwolf 07:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
What I was trying to say is that we need at least one link to something like an "is this stalking?" site, if such a site exists. Were-Aardwolf 01:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- Good point, but the practical question "Is this stalking?" is answered in local laws. The existing link to State Laws works, and it also provides news summaries, including a stalker found to have multiple targets he had followed for months who had not yet become aware of him when police found his creepy index of notes. The best state laws consider stalking similar to offenses like wire-tapping, interfering with mail, gradual poisoning (i.e., some actions may be found crimes or misdemeanors whether or not the target knew of the danger or had formed any specific fears). Of course, most stalking victims would be delighted to have hard evidence of related crimes, such as burglary of their home by the stalker, and would prefer to leave talk of their emotions out of court transcripts.
- Some state laws -- and the opening of this Wikipedia article -- define stalking in terms of fear caused. If the target person instead feels normal, sensible anger, it may be impossible to press stalking charges in a jurisdiction where prosecutors must show psychological injury. You might want to beef up the link somehow, adding emphasis to the need to know local laws exactly as they stand at the time, rather than relying on general concepts outlined here. An innocent person shouldn't live in fear of false or frivolous prosecution, while a genuine stalking victim may need to find evidence to bring other charges against their tormentors. A lot may depend on which side of the state line you call home. 152.163.100.7 02:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] crime against humanity?
Is stalking really considered a crime against humanity? While it definitely isn't right, I don't see how it is on the same level as genocide. Does this mean if an entire group is stalked by authorities, or does it also apply on an individual basis? 132.235.133.178 21:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] before deleting referenced cited material
Nice idea to ask questions here. I read one of the studies cited and found that there were facts there that really needed to be added to that tiny section on gender. --A green Kiwi in learning mode 07:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] California
A claim is made that the first place in the world to have laws against stalking was California in 1990, however, the source cited only says that California was the first state in the United States to have such laws. Therefore, another citation would be needed to back this claim. Vanillagorillas 04:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] this article has too much communist propaganda
Stalking is an invention of liberal communists to remove people's freedom's, especially men's, and put the government into personal life. If someone feels threatened it's their own fault, and someone who accuses someone of stalking is actually a moral criminal. These points should be emphasized in this article.
- An interesting, albeit unusual perspective on stalking. --Kukini 08:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Protect the Page?
Do you think this page should be protected? I notice in the history that it's been vandalized alot with crap info, like people who have "grudges" against someone. Just check parts of the history section, and you'll know what I mean. --SigmaX54 19:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
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- It isn't nearly as bad as some pages...--Tygone2 20:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Terrorist stalkers
Someone keeps adding terror stalking to Mullen's categories, which does not belong there as he did not write about this kind of stalking at all. If people want this category, it should have it's own section, perhaps underneath the list. Blueshirt2 19:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
