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[edit] iw Bot

Hello,

Just a short note about user:GrinBot: yes, he's running, but based on huwiki's content, not enwiki, so ranges aren't a problem; a full run finishes in less than a week for example, even with pretty high delays. --grin ✎ 22:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwikilink error

Hello,

Your bot made this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Airbase&diff=94872587&oldid=86454437 The articles the bot linked to are not about the same subject, they just have the same name. I hope your bot is not making automated interwikilinks to articles with the same subject on other language wikipedia's, this is not a good idea, it would cause many errors. S Sepp 20:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I have read the description. It seems your bot is making automated interwikilinks. This is sacrificing quality over speed. The bot is bound to make more errors. Are you aware of the work being done at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~flacus/IWLC/start.php? It automates interwikilinks finding and editing, but it requires humans to check if the articles are really about the same subject. I have done quite a lot of checking there, and I have seen lots of instances of two articles having the same name about different people, who happen to have the same name. I would urge you to at least stop making automated interwikilinks for articles about people. S Sepp 20:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The same goes for articles about places. Often when using interwikilink-checker it finds articles with the same name about places which are actually different places. For instance one of them is in France, the other is in Swiss, but they have the same name. Place names are often not unique at all. S Sepp 20:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwikilink error - Bank of England

[1]. The entry removed was zh:英格蘭銀行 (traditional character), but actually it has been moved to zh:英格兰银行 (simplified character). Both are still valid on the zh space. There are something funny about the conversion between two scripts in the zh space. I think it's a little more complicated than redirect... but I'm not sure. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 13:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Another problem with your bot

Your bot has recently done this edit, which removed 4 perfectly legitimate interwikilinks. Why?! --Zvika 12:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

looks like three of them were linking to articles. Links to those pages should be done from the actual article they describe: link to the de: biased sample article from biased sample. The fourth looks like an incorrectly labeled disambiguaton page. ST47Talk 12:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I disagree. While some of the interwikilinks didn't point to the exact same topic, they point to a closely related one, and in some cases to the closest one available in the relevant language. If I were a native Spanish or German speaker reading the bias (statistics) article and looking for a translation, I would prefer to be directed to a related page, which would at least give a translation of the term (bias -> Trend, for example), than to have no interwikilink at all. If your bot can't make a better suggestion for a link, then at least don't delete the links we have. Besides creating a lot of revert work for all of us, I am afraid your bot might be deleting other important links to pages that happen not to be on anyone's watchlist. Please make it stop! --Zvika 07:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not sure why the bot has removed this article

[Orton, Japanese]

I don't speak Japanese, so I am not even sure that this is an article on the subject matter, but it could be a problem. Ade1982 22:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

(That's not an article, it is some kind of article not found message S Sepp 13:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC))

S Sepp is correct, that is the japanese version of badtitletext - because it interpeted your link as an external link, and you can't use the | in external links. However, [2] does not exist. ST47Talk 13:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Some digging and some pretending to know japanese yielded this link - I'm not sure if it's already in the article, but i'll check ST47Talk 13:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:VP - slight concern

I am using Vandalproof because I receved a message that I was approved and when I open Vandalproof it says that I am aproved.

Here is a copy of the message left on my talk page regarding Approvan of VandalProof:

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Natl1! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Prodego ^talk 16:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Ihope you are able to resolve this issue.--Natl1 13:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] STBotD query

Hi,

I am Bentong Isles, the bureaucrat at ceb-wp. I've noticed that STBotD has the capability of removing interwiki links to nonexistent articles. I would like to invite you to run the bot at ceb-wp. But perhaps, before deleting the interwiki link, we could also be informed in our village pump or we could also create a page which will contain the reports from the bot. It will be great help to our wp. Thanks! --Bentong Isles 03:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Correct, my bot can do that, and I can send it to your wiki, looking for bad links and creatign a log. I'll mention it on your VP(in english :( ) if I find anything. ST47Talk 13:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the run through of your bot at ceb-wp. I realize how many broken there are in our wp. :) As to policy: we still don't have a policy about that, and other bots are doing things to our wp like modifying interwiki links. (Although we haven't noticed any of them removing the links.) Anyway, I think it does not serve any purpose for an interwiki link to exist if the target page does not actually exist, right? So I think if the target page is not there, we might as well remove the link. OTH, if the target page is a dab: does someone have to manually edit the link? Can it be done by the bot? (Sorry, I know very little about bots :)) --Bentong Isles 11:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

no problem, running the bot is the easy part :p Now if you want, I can run through and fix all of those? That's just be removing all the bad links to other wikis, and would be easy to set up. Let me know if you'd like me to do that. ST47Talk 11:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military brat (U.S. subculture)

Please read the article and then tell me if you still believe that the term is "non-neutral, irrelevant to the article and its subject." Military brat is an accepted term and a highly studied subject. The term is used by researchers and the community it describes. It is relevant to the subject because it does have a bearing on the individual as is supported by the research. Balloonman 20:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

While I see from the article that is it indeed a commonly used term, and not the derogatory "brat" that I'm more used to hearing, I don't believe that we need a listing of "brats". I'm sure that most of these articles already say that their father was in the military, and I can't really think of a use of categories to say it again. ST47Talk 21:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Not all articles will say that and using this logic, why do we have categories at all? Balloonman 22:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please revert this edit of yours!

Could you go back and undo this edit of yours? I'd hit "rollback" if you for all the subsequent edits. Just as with Wikipedia's most famous of all topics lists, the links to talk pages were made invisible in order that when you click on "related changes" they'd be included, but would not add clutter to the list. If the links to talk pages are to be made visible, then it should be clear what they are, so it should say "talk:this topic" instead of just "this topic".

If you don't do this promptly I'll revert and then try to incorporate the later changes. Michael Hardy 22:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've reverted. I'll go back later and try to recover the legitimate edits that followed your deplorable edit. Michael Hardy 23:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

This most heinous and regrettable edit, which has stood for three months, is obviously so incredibly destructive that it couldn't even sit for fifteen minutes more, lest the wiki face imminent destruction. ST47Talk 19:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Another explanation is that I noticed that the subsequent edits were not unmanageably extensive. Michael Hardy 01:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] G8 talk pages

Good job tagging all these pages! --Fang Aili ^talk 23:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Good luck deleting them! I'm just using an approach with AWB and a database dump, I'm surprised that so many were allowed to accumulate. ST47Talk 00:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I managed to catch up. =) Thanks for tagging all of those. -- Gogo Dodo 01:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, I'll have to hurry up and tag some more ;) - I'll wait, since I don't want to overload the queue and push out all the important ones all at once, there are somewhere around 3000 on the list I created, though there are a lot of duplicates, false positives, and archives. ST47Talk 01:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ha, just came here to check that you wern't going to be going through doing them all at once. Around 100 or so at a time max please!!! ;) --Robdurbar 11:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, don't worry, I'm done for now. ST47Talk 11:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] France templates

If you're going to go around adding more dead weight to talk pages (which unfortunately seems to be the standard practice), can you at least configure your bot not to add the template above {{skiptotoctalk}} (the template that lets you skip directly to the actual content of the talk page). Also, why are you adding three blank lines along with the template? Christopher Parham (talk) 20:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

it seems like that template is used by a minority of talk pages (under 500), so, it doesn't seem worthwhile, I can simply fix all of them after this run is over. Perhaps that template can be modified to display at the top of the page, no matter what, like the status template on my userpage, if it is really a problem? ST47Talk 21:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to 3RR.

It's not entirely my fault. The other guy INSISTS on editing the page with false information. Tell HIM to stop editing out other people's posts. Don't blame this entirely on me.CBFan 14:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)CBFan

I did. Now stop and pursue other methods of dispute resolution, like WP:MEDCOM or WP:3O ST47Talk 15:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not sure about this one

This bot edit seems odd. Why did it try to add Augusto Pinochet to WikiProject France? A bug somewhere? Gwernol 17:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC) He's in Category:French Chileans, a subcat of Category:People of French descent, a subcat of Category:French people, a subcat of Category:France. ST47Talk 17:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Émile Nelligan

I'm afraid I don't understand this edit, adding Canadian poet Émile Nelligan to Wikiproject France. He wasn't born in France, nor were his parents. He never so much as visited the country. Victoriagirl 18:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to remove it, I was asked by the wikiproject to add CAT:France and all subcategories in, and the fact that his poems are in french puts him in that list. ST47Talk 18:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks. Victoriagirl 18:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Franco-bot

Your Franco-bot recently tagged Crimson Fox, a comic character, as being under the provenance of the WP:France. Please see the talk there to give an explanation for why a fictional french character, in american media and american-created, should be in the French WP. Thank you. I suspect your bot got enthusiastic, or the article hit enough parameters in it's search protocol. ThuranX 20:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject France tagging

Even if it is a request from WikiProject France members, it's highly irresponsible. Just one of the most ridiculous results is to include ALL articles that are included in the subcategories of Cat:Burkina Faso, Cat:Djibouti, Cat:Dominica, Cat:Gabon, Cat:Haiti, Cat:Luxembourg, Cat:Mauritania, Cat:Saint Lucia, Cat:Senegal, Cat:Switzerland, and Cat:Togo, since they are all in either Cat:La Francophonie or Cat:Former French colonies. Please end this indiscriminate tagging. Bastin 20:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Further to the bot's rather strange tagging tendancies, it recently tagged a numerous amount of Spanish players why play for Athletic Bilbao. Not sure why it did so... Either way, it obviously needs to stop doing so...--Tiresais 23:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I've further limited the wikiproject's request to go only 2 levels deep, instead of the 4 I previously limited to. I've restarted the bot, 8000 pages, some already done, and all in a category related to france. ST47Talk 01:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bullfighting?

Is there a reason your bot is tagging a lot of bullfighting articles as part of the French WikiProject? They don't seem to be related at all. Articles like Bloodless bullfighting and Fighting Cattle were tagged but I can't see a clear correlation. Metros232 20:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging of international firms

Please stop tagging Airbus, EADS, Air France-KLM, and CFM International. These are multinational corporations or consortia of which the French interests are 50% or less. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 21:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cajun Articles & WikiProject France

STBot is putting WikiProject France templates on articles in Category:Cajun. Is that intended? Most Cajun articles have little to do with France proper. Sure, the culture is derived from France, but it's rather unique. Articles that discuss Cajun culture and it's roots in France I can see being tagged by this project (ex. Cajun French), but not Cajun English, St. Martinville, Louisiana, or Steve Riley and the Mamou Playboys to name a few. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 21:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

You have also tagged Navarre national football team which is a Spanish football team. I think you need to stop adding this template and rethink the categories it is picking. It seems to be making lots of mistakes. Since many of these are new talk pages, they cannot simply be reverted which takes extra effort to clean-up. -- JLaTondre 21:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiCast

Thanks for the development work on 'Class President' ShakespeareFan00 00:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

sure, thanks for the questions! ST47Talk 11:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Basque sport category should not be in WikiProject France

The Basque region covers two countries, Spain and France. Please remove the Basque sport category from your Bot. I dread to think of how many other Basque categories you have also tagged incorrectly. Iggi 03:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• I have a response for that: several dozens, all Spanish-Basque articles. Yes, the Basque Country spans France and Spain and your bot is messing up everything. Example: the Basque mountains are part of the Spanish Basque Country, none of them is in France, so the article is entirely out of the French project scope. David 15:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

  So why come to me? I didn't make the request, and the bot certainly isn't checking each article. If you're in the wikiproject, advise whoever made the request at WP:BOTREQ to revise it, or feel free to run AWB on your own. ST47Talk 21:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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