User talk:ST47/Archive5

[edit] summary

Please use an edit summary that inspires a bit more confidence than "clean up - bother me at my talk if I mess up". A simple explanation of what you are doing is normally best. Martin 10:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I wanted something short that would let people know that editing the talk page would freeze it, I'll change it before the next run ST47Talk 10:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bot Edit Error

Your bot recently edited Class 5 telephone switches and incorrectly deleted a closing bracket. I have corrected the error, and (I hope) improved the link anyway. Mmccalpin 18:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh my, why did it do that? Thanks for bringing this to may attention, I'm looking at the page now ST47Talk 18:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

oh, I see, the link was all messed up and it confused the bot, it interpreted it as an external link with an extra ], not an external link within parentheses. Thanks for fixing that link! ST47Talk 18:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Downey

Would you like to explain to me what 'Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism'. Am I being excused of vandalism if you look at the page Ringwood Town F.C. I have added more information I have in no way added nonsense or done any vandalism to it!

no, you've been blanking stuff ST47Talk 19:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Note for me, this editor is 86.29.76.0/20 ST47Talk 19:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hinduism in Azerbaijan

I saw your reply by looking in your archive. The article has been changed, and the contradictory sentence has been removed, with 5 references added, including a historical narrative.Bakaman _Bakatalk 21:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your bot

Your bot is changing the infoboxes for Canadian MPs, changing to which is messing up the boxes. Please see changes for David Christopherson to see what I mean. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

that's because of how the infobox is being used. you don't need the <b>, because the infobox does it for you, check the template ST47Talk 10:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

It is converting it to ''' though. Please make it stop. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your bot indiscriminantly removes newlines.

You recently edited block cipher modes of operation and then removed some double blank lines. Those double blank lines were put into that page by human editors to make the article more readable and keep tables and maths from getting to cloose to other text. Just as many other bot "drivers" you seem to be indiscriminantly removing blank lines and/or double blank lines without checking what result that has for the page layout and readability. --David Göthberg 08:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

the bot's version looks fine to me, but if you ever need to put extra linebreaks, use <br>, as that will have the same effect. ST47Talk 10:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

NO. That's silly. This is a wiki. we use wikinotation, NOT html. Linebreaks are fine. Don't target them with the bot without a good, defensible reason.... aa:talk 16:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

YES. There are plenty of defendable reasons why the linebreak edits are good, such as removing them between categories ot interwiki links, if you have extenuating need for a break there, use the code and the bot will leave you alone, especially since there is no visible difference without the breaks. ST47Talk 18:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, double blank lines cause more space in this wikisoftware. It is a feature, not a bug. And your removal of such linebreaks inside the textbody of the article did cause several visible differences to that article. It is a feature that saves us from clogging the code with a lot of HTML <br> stuff and makes editing simpler for all of us, including for newbies that don't know HTML. --David Göthberg 20:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Astronomical objects revert

Please do not revert without discussion. Mrwuggs 16:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

please do not comment without explaination. ST47Talk 18:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Not sure why your usertalk is on my watchlist, but he's referring to [1], where someone else reverted the page back the the state it was wehn your bot last edited it. It was reverted for good reason: the user added a bunch of hypothetical/sci-fi/UFO nut objects. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 18:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll go take a look ST47Talk 18:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] STBot edit: Elliot Stabler

Hello. STBot editted the article Elliot Stabler and removed a relevant category. The edit, which I reverted, can be found here. Any explanation would be helpful. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. My error. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

to note for readers, this was in reference to an edit made, removinga duplicate category. Thanks for watching the wiki! ST47Talk 01:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] New User

Hi, my name is RyGuy. I am a newly registered user to wikipedia. I am looking for people who can help me on my User page (User: RyGuy). I was thinking that you have some pretty good things on your page, so mabye you could help. Just drop by User Talk: RyGuy if you want to help. Thanks! RyGuy 18:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! It.... um... helped.

RyGuy 16:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

cool :P ST47Talk 17:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your bot

I don't know how to say this without being rude, but I am not sure of how useful your bot is. The default AWB edits are nice I guess, but I don't think they really are worth making if they're the only edit being made. It takes up server resources and human resources (bloating people's watchlists) that I don't think are really justified by extremely minor fixes to link formatting or where a stub tag is positioned. Besides, most articles are touched quasi-regularly by AWB as people fix typos, disambiguate links, and so on. Again I hope you don't take this the wrong way, just a hopefully constructive criticism. --W.marsh 02:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

But they son't show up on RC or watchlists, it runs overnight for most of the english-speaking world, and the edits were approved by the bag, so I think they are important, or at least, why not edits. ST47Talk 10:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Ehm, the edits done by STBot very much turns up on my "my watchlist" and also on several of the other special lists we use within Wikiproject Cryptography to watch what edits are done. And it is necessary to check those edits since I every now and then encounter damaging edits from bots, among others from your bot. I don't have much of a point of view if such small edits is worth the added resurces they cost or not. Just wanted to point out that they are visible and do cost us a lot of human work. Oh, and the times I see your bot edit is night for us Europeans but only evening for the Americans. --David Göthberg 10:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

When ST47 said bot edits don't show up on watchlists, that meant they can be set to not appear. Click on preferences at the top, then watchlist, then the box saying to hide bots from the watchlist. Click save, and you won't see them anymore. -- kenb215 talk 12:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't really want to ignore all bot edits in my watchlist, for various reasons. My point still stands, these default AWB edits really don't warrant the server and human resources they consume, they don't really fix anything readers will ever notice. --W.marsh 14:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, this does not seem to be what your bot was given the bot flag to do. --W.marsh 14:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

you call 8PM evening, i call it bedtime :P and there is a second BRFA here. ST47Talk 17:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I actually saw this because it was showing on my watchlist, twice on this page you're telling folks to change the way they use Wikipedia's default functionality to accommodate your bot. That seems backwards to me. Shouldn't editors be able to use the default settings? Especially having to use HTML on Wikipedia when they don't have to just to avoid the bot...Rx StrangeLove 06:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the reason of the < b > dealies was an error by the person who made the page, the infobox already bolded it and then they added the tag, when the bot fixed it is showed up 'like this'. ST47Talk 11:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The General fixes AWB has are designed to be minor things that can be done while doing some other task, to make the edits more worthwhile than normal bots. Doing only general fixes is not really going to be worth it. Though some of the general fixes are quite important, simplifying links and similar jobs aren't generally important enough to be done on their own. Martin 09:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] opinion: wasteful

I'd like to register my opinion of this bot, having just encountered it; I find it rather wasteful, and I believe you should seriously re-consider running it. I met it on an extremely minor article that nonetheless I have on my watchlist (no, I'm not going to turn off bot notifications) and it made extremely minor edits. At what cost, and why bother? It removed an underscore and moved a couple of s's. Is there really a need for a bot to change that kind of stuff? It has no impact on the day-to-day use of wikipedia as a resource; and for anyone who's contributing to an article, if there are enough misplaced s's and _'s to make their underpants dance, then they can just go ahead and fix it themselves (using AWB, even) while making their other changes.

--Dthatcher 14:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

why not bother? it certainly isn't hurting anyone, it's making the source less confusing, it's keeping these errors from propagating. There are 12588 pages left in the queue, it will be done by the end of the weekend. ST47Talk 15:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

But it IS hurting people. It's annoying people by changing formatting, often inappropriately, and forcing them to come to you as some sort of self-proclaimed authority on piddly little things. And it's draining Wikipedia server resources by doing things that don't need to be done mechanically. Do I need to repeat the arguments that everyone else on this page have made, too? For christ's sake, at least talk to somebody else about it. Start a forum or something and shut it off til you get some qualified opinions. --Dthatcher 03:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I did. It was at WP:BRFA ST47Talk 15:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

And do you feel you're following the guidelines that were laid out in letter and spirit? And is the database load really worth editing entries that are (for example) a couple paragraphs long and have 4 stray hyphens and 2 pipes? Is -your- time really worth running a bot for that? Constructive criticism: What if you put in an edit minimum of, say, 6 or 8+, to fix just the most butchered articles? --Dthatcher 22:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Mabye you're right. I agree with you, and pretty much, have from the beginning. The bot hasn't run for over a week, and I won't be running it again. ST47Talk 23:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bot edits on Mathematica

Just FYI, the STBot messed up a few computer algebra examples, and failed to notice that "Pocket pc" was a redirect to "Pocket PC". Everything is fine now, but you may want to look at the page to see how you could improve the bot, and you may also want to prevent the bot from running again on this page until it is improved. Thanks, Four Dog Night 16:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

damn. thanks for letting me know, ill take a look - i don't think it likes the math code. I'm going to stop running it anyway, is it seems to draw hate :( ST47Talk 16:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source order--templates before cats

As far as I know, stubs and other templates should be placed above categories, not the other way around. 24.19.35.187 01:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Layla

Why did you revert my edits to Layla Williams? Hmrox 15:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

sorry, from within VP it looked like they broke the redirect. Fixed. ST47Talk 15:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hustle

Why did you revert my edit to Hustle (TV series)? --84.64.51.100 19:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

There was no explaination for the bit you added and it was added using unencyclopaedic formatting - set off by hyphens. ST47Talk 19:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen a policy that requires edit summaries. 'Fixer' is grifters' terminology for the team member who takes care of the technical side of things, and the character has been referred to as such throughout the show's run.

then say that. I'll say that most wikipedians don't rob banks for a living. ST47Talk 19:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

There's no need for that kind of petulance. This wouldn't be necessary if you assumed good faith once in a while. I'm going to put my edit back in now. --84.64.51.100 19:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

"Unencyclopaedic formatting"? Whatever. Would you be satisfied if I used commas instead? --84.64.51.100 19:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A very Californian RfA thanks from Luna Santin

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of (97/4/4)! I've never been able to accept compliments gracefully, and the heavy support from this outstanding community left me at a complete loss for words -- so, a very belated thank you for all of your kind words. I have done and will continue to do the utmost to serve the community in this new capacity, wherever it may take me, and to set an example others might wish to follow in. With a little luck and a lot of advice, this may be enough. Maybe someday the enwiki admins of the future will look back and say, "Yeah, that guy was an admin." Hopefully then they don't start talking about the explosive ArbComm case I got tied into and oh what a drama that was, but we'll see, won't we? Surely some of you have seen me in action by now; with that in mind, I openly invite and welcome any feedback here or here -- help me become the best editor and sysop I can be. Again, thank you. –Luna Santin

Glad to see you're still active in anti-vandalism. Might consider a run for admin at some point, yourself, if you feel up to it. Luna Santin 19:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

What? I voted on an RfA? Oh, that was a while ago...well, quite welcome :) - I think i might take you up on that in a month or two ST47Talk 20:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Blocks

I'm not sure how the blocking system works. Whenever I try to edit from work (a school) the IP address is blocked. How can I get around this? I requested it be unblocked but still no joy. Ozdaren 00:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Luka (song)

You seem to be away on IRC, check Talk:Luka (song) if you have the time, I think the article is not a copyvio after all :) See you! -- lucasbfr ^talk 01:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

I answered the questions on RfA (sorry, I forgot). SupaStarGirl 19:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! ST47Talk 19:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BITE

If I see you violating WP:BITE just once more, I will ask a fellow administrator on ANI to literally block you. This was one of the worst biting incidents in my entire Wikipedia career. PLEASE - reread BITE, CSD, and treat other people's work seriously. You're not doing the project any favors with edits such as those. - crz crztalk 16:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, was a little angry IRL then, and I certainly didn't mean to go off on anyone... ST47Talk 19:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] unblock auto

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