Talk:St. Helen's School

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No, it was not illogical, I am making it the same quality as other articles. Much of the information here doesn't belong and is best left to the external links. I wish to revert back to my version soon because of the non-encyclopedic nature of the writing. I know you spent time working on this however I am just cleaning your creation up so it can be in line with the many other schools articles I have helped clean up. I know you feel protective and like I'm attacking you as a person, but let me assure you I'm not. Should you choose to revert again, I await your response on this talk page. --mboverload@ 08:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I created this page having looked and many other British school articles and I am sure there are plenty that support my way of writing. Since you have not attended this school, I doubt you understand the priorities it holds. It is not a school which majors in the arts or sports but excels in academics. Hence, I believe that your format bears no consideration of the school's main areas of concern, but follows the page you have created and feel is a "model page" (although that is highly subjective). Either way, stop imposing your "American specialist school" type format onto St. Helen's, since, believe it of not, they are way too different. There are plenty of other "crappy school articles" that no-one cares about which you can go play around with. I do, however, understand some of your editorial changes and I will take them on board for future improvement, but the major changes you made were completely unnecessary.--Spaztic ming 08:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if I attend or not. Wikipedia maintains a WP:NPOV policy. I'll check back in a week, ok? =D --mboverload@ 09:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Please point out where the WP:NPOV policy has been abused in this article. I have no issue with making it more NPOV, but since the edits you made only re-arranged the text and bearly altered any of the original writing, can your version be any more NPOV than mine? --Spaztic ming 10:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why we can't have this article in its current form

The inuse template...set for 3 days is a nice touch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St._Helen%27s_School&diff=61339544&oldid=61279024 We can not have statements like

• Inspire a lifelong love of learning in an intellectual environment which strives for excellence.
• Make school a stimulating and enjoyable experience.
• Develop self-confidence, self esteem and independence of thought.
• Motivate girls to respond sensitively to the needs of others.
• Promote high moral standards and cultural and spiritual awareness.
• Provide equal opportunities for all.
• Establish a strong working partnership with parents.
• Encourage girls to chase their dreams in order to achieve a successful and fulfilling adult life.
• St. Helen's School is a highly academic school
• Girls from St. Helen's often compete in formidable sporting events
• St. Helen's also has a thriving performing arts community
• St. Helen's also does outstandingly well in the UK Mathematical Challenges, with students each year unfailingly being entered into British Mathematical Olympiad and European Kangaroo.
• St. Helen's is incredibly active in terms of charity work. In the 2005 academic year, St. Helen's has been focusing on its African Initiative, working towards raising money and resources for children in Malawi and Uganda. Annually, St. Helen's also has a Calendar Sale at Christmas and Summer Extravaganza which raises a lot of money for charity. Girls at the school have also actively helped in orphanages in Kenya, India and Mongolia. Phab Week is also an important event in the St. Helen's charity calendar, with select students from St. Helen's and Merchant Taylors' School helping disabled children enjoy a carefree week.
• In the sixth form, girls are encouraged to take responsibility for their own academic learning.
• The girls consistently achieve outstanding A Level results
• St. Helen's Junior School provides a happy and stimulating environment. It is accommodated in three well-equipped buildings with specialist facilities.

And more. I am more than happy to work with you, but Wikipedia is not an ad for your school. As much as we appricate your contributions we have to grind them down into a sleek and streamlined article. This isn't about attacking you, it's about making what you made better. Please respond here. --mboverload@ 09:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I have taken out most, if not all, of the material which is considered POV. I don't personally understand why the "official aims" of the school are POV but I have removed them anyway. I have changed a lot of the wording to support NPOV and, from what I can see, the article is pretty neutral now and does not show the school in any promotional manner. All of the content that currently remains is true, i.e. fact. Of course I want the article to continue improvement, I just disagree with the way in which you go about it. NPOV is about rewording and language, NOT about reformating the article. You can edit the writing as much as you want, as well as the format within reason, but changing the entire display and justifying it under NPOV is just too weak an excuse. --Spaztic ming 02:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

As it says in the rules it doesn't matter what's true. Wikipedia is about what can be SOURCED. Although you may not see it, the article was/is written from a blatant POV to promote the prestige of your school. I have consulted with numerous people regarding this and they all agree with my changes to the article. --mboverload@ 02:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

You keep reverting to a version which is really old. It has none of the new sources that I have added which would support what has been said about the grades at least. The sources therefore enable me to state the grades that the school obtain which is surely NPOV. There is no reason for removing this information. If this is truely about sourcing, placing the {{fact} } tag will remind people to include citations or remove information, which I am more than happy to do. You clearly have not thoroughly looked over any of the changes I have made and you are not actually comprimising in any way. I don't want the article to be POV either, but why you are so adamant to class the activities under "atheltics" and "the arts" and "academics", which is also incorrectly spelt by the way, is beyond me. Likewise, I can say to people agree with what I have written, it means absolutely nothing. --Spaztic ming 03:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)