Talk:St. Augustine Light

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[edit] Reversion of edits on August 27, 2006

Rather than trying to fix the errors introduced in this article today, I have reverted those edits. In particular, the St. Augustine Light was not the first lighthouse in the United States, and Florida was not admitted to the Union until 1845. -- Donald Albury 22:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Donald. Intersting!!! Today, I have added details from the extensive archives of the St. Augustine Lighthouse and Museum, Inc. These files are accessible to researchers by appointment. I would like to be able to add exact references here and will continue to do so. I am not sure exactly how to place items in the reference section. Can you help me? While you are correct that Florida did not become a state until later, Florida was an American territory in 1823, and its lighthouses were governed by Congress, just as today lighthouses in Puerto Rico are managed, even have ownership changes managed by United States agencies like USCG or GSA. Several lighthouses were established in 1824 in Florida by Congress. St. Augustine was lit on Monday, April 5, 1824.

It is probably normal ethnocentrism that causes us to want to believe that the Americans were the first to have lighthouses. What we know as "America" is a maritime nation created and built on our waterways. Aids-to-navigation were certainly needed from the very beginning and were used by many cultures. While this 824 Florida lighthouse was not as early an "American" light as those in Boston for example, it MAY well have predated those same lights in New England under Spanish and even British rule. St. Augustine was founded in 1565, well before Jamestown. I know of no other Spanish lighthouses or even permanent aides to navigation in what we call America...does anyone else? I think there must have been others. The addition of Dr. Sam Turner who specializes in reading 16th century Spanish documents to our staff team may help us document early use one way or the other some day. As we are always finding out new things, I certainly welcome new changes and information based on good data. I realize that this is an open forum my data is subject to discussion and removal. That's part of the fun. - Kathy Fleming, St. Augustine Lighthouse, Executive Director, November 2006

First of all I have to inform you that material from an archive does not qualify as a usable source. The first clause of the verifiability policy says, Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources. A proposal was made a few months ago to explicitly allow use of material from a school's archive, but that was rejected by the community. I'm afraid you are going to have to cite published sources for the material you want to add, or remove it. The point of this restriction is that all material used in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable by readers. Source material that can be accessed at only one location falls far short of that requirement. As you are affiliated with the museum, it would be nice if you could post the material on the Web, thus making it available to Wikipedia editors and readers and meeting the 'published' requirement.

Since Wikipedia aims to present a balanced account of all subjects, we often have to acknowledge differing accounts and/or interpretations of subjects. This is especially true in historical articles, and the primary sources are often fragmentary and even contradictory, and secondary sources can often give accounts that differ widely depending on what the author chooses to include and emphasize. We try to avoid primary sources unless they have been published with critical commentary and annotations.

As for Spanish lighthouses, I seem to remember that St. Augustine was re-supplied only once or twice a year, and I think it unlikely that they would maintain a light house just for that. If the old Spanish records indicate otherwise, I will be surprised. They did maintain sentinel houses along the coast to warn of invaders (Jonathan Dickinson mentions three south of St. Augustine in 1696/1697).

Oh, you should sign you posts on talk pages by adding four tildes (~~~~) at the end. -- Donald Albury 14:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)