Talk:Sri Lanka Navy
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[edit] Sources
Sources for this are again http://www.navy.lk/ CooldogCongo
[edit] Atrocities
The tone of this section is not worded neutrally.
I understand that this is a highly emotional issue for both Tamil and Sinhala peoples but this is wikipedia and a neutral point of view policy has to be maintained.
As an outside observer it seems BOTH SIDES are in breach of the cease-fire and innocents have died on both sides.As a result there seems to be continuous claims and counter claims about who did what and why and so on!
Pages about military forces should only contain reliable details about the history,command structure, equipment and operations in a non-biased way.
Any alleged breaches of human rights should be documented with reliable sources(example:United Nations or Amnesty International)with no hearsay or speculation.Place links to the content so that people can make their own minds up!
Suggestions
The section should be labelled "List of alleged human rights breaches by SL Navy" or something similiar.
Reliable reference sources should be given and NOT from pro-government or pro-LTTE sites/sources.
The language is too direct and should be rewritten to something like"The SL navy is believed to have been involved in the following incidents...." followed by unbiased reference sources to back up these claims.
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- The are absolutely no reliable references given for the alleged atrocities by the SLN. As the above post states alleged breaches of human rights should be documented with reliable sources (example:United Nations or Amnesty International) NOT pro-LTTE websites.
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- Until then I'm removing all stated instances and only keeping it as "The Sri Lanka Navy (SLN) is alleged to have committed human rights breaches against the Tamil community in the island during the Ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka" and marking it as a stub . --snowolfd4 17:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] If the SLMM is pro LTTE then you are correct
If you view the Sri Lanka Monitoring Mission (SLMM) as pro LTTE then you are correct.
The fact in the church attack in Pesalai was not simply alleged, it was proven.
Youa re correct, both sides are violating CFA.
As this page is about Sri Lanka Navy (SLN), only those violations by the SLN can be mentioned.
If the Sea Tigers are violating, then that would be under Sea Tigers.
Wikipedia is not a propaganda site, at the same time it can not also become a recruitment page for the ever so wonderful angels that are the Sri Lanka Navy (SLN) 99% Sinhala - according to government figures. Unless you want to call the government pro-LTTE as well. Check www.statistics.lk
Please sign your comments Pubuman 19:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reply
I don't care if the SLN is full of Sinhalese or if the Sea Tigers are full of Tamils - there are murderers on both sides.Anyone who denies that both sides have not committed atrocities is a lunatic.Again 99% Sinhalese in the SLN means nothing just like the Sea Tigers is probably 99% Tamil. Using your ABSURD logic just beacuse the SLN is 99% Sinhalese and the Sea Tigers are 99% Tamil it makes ALL sinhalese and tamil people,ahem, "wonderful angels"!!
I am sure that any atrocities caused by either the SL armed forces or the LTTE which the SLMM confirms are denied by the accused parties.None of the sides will EVER admit any complicity and instead blame some "unknown" third parties or even each other!!
That is why any claims on both sides should be marked "alleged" with a link to the source.This means that if the evidence is strong enough people will make up their own decisions.People are not stupid!
Maintain a neutral viewpoint instead of trying to paint either the whole Sinhala or Tamil race with the same brush just because some individuals on both sides have no respect for people's basic human rights.
[edit] All Sinhalese may not be SLN, but the SLN is all Sinhalese
For people to understand the conflict in its proper context and also the wide-ranging historical roots, they must know the ethnic makeup of the country’s armed forces.
Some may wonder how and why low ranking SLN officers are able to rape and murder innocent Tamil civilians with impunity.
LTTE has violated CFA from time to time. I am not denying that. However, the section on Sri Lanka Navy should not be filled with CFA violations by the LTTE.
A comprehensive article on the SLN should feature atrocities committed by the SLN. These should include massacres such as Kumuthuni Boat Massacre from before large scale ethnic conflict; Kilali Massacres which were during the height of the war and more recently massacres of families during the CFA period.
- Again please sign your comments, and as the above user said without proper impartial evidence those cannot be presented. Also the word attrocity carries inherent non neutral bias with it, please refrain from its use.Pubuman 19:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reply
I understand what you are saying but you have to be very careful about talking about ethnicity in conflicts.It may give the impressions that all Sinhalese people want to kill Tamils and all Tamils the Sinhalese.
This is not definitely the case. I have seen people being painted with the "one brush paints all" attitude by people just because they have read or heard something that insinuates that their whole race are murderers or drug pushers
Do not stereotype races!!
I have seen articles to this effect on Wikipedia and this causes "flame" wars between the different sides
[edit] Copyright violations
This article is copied from the Sri Lankan Navy site. The content of that site is copyrighted and it can't be used on Wikipedia. Please start a new article at Talk:Sri Lankan Navy/Temp. Mushroom (Talk) 12:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
