User talk:Squidfryerchef

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[edit] The Flirting article and "kino"

Hi Squidfryerchef. Thanks for dropping me a note. If we want to get more detail on the type of touch that's meant, looking for sources from human behavior experts that describes the type of touching would be much more useful than using the jargon of a poorly known sub-culture. I think this could be a productive road to go down, though I don't know of any research off the top of my head.

My problem with the kino reference was that it was kind of irrelevant. As a word it has many different connotations. Typing kino into a search engine doesn't get you much information on flirting. And the seduction communities use of the term kino may not cover all the ways in which touch is used in flirting. Our manual of style guides us to not use jargon in general. Sometimes that guidance isn't appropriate. But using kino isn't like using most jargon in a computing article because generally their aren't many competing terms within the area of computer expertise. When a piece of jargon is not fairly universal it would generally be a particularly poor decision to choose to use it. So one group has a particular word for something - by itself that's not really encyclopedic. Within the area of human behavior and flirting there are hundreds of different sub-cultures, many of which have their own words for different things in the article. Why are we highlighting that particular one? As an encyclopedia we report on the significant opinions of experts in the field. If we want to cover the idea of words being coined by different groups to cover aspects of flirting, we need first to ascertain that experts who study flirting have noted this phenomenon, and then quote them. If, say, a psychologist who publishes papers on human relationships has looked into this and written a book, newspaper article or paper that covers it - that would be a great source. Or possibly a language specialist who happens to have looked at this particular area of human language. Otherwise we're just putting together our own assortment of facts and opinions on what's notable about the subject. And that becomes original research (not that the rest of the article is so great at the moment!). --Siobhan Hansa 04:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

"As far as original research, I don't see any problem with people sourcing ( with references ) terms from various subcultures in the article and comparing them, as long they're not trying to advance a particular thesis." As I mentioned above our articles are supposed to represent the significant opinions of experts in the field. If experts on human behavior have written about the seduction community's use of the term, I think that could be a good addition. But otherwise, referencing a sub-culture's terminology (and even their definition) when they are not considered significant by experts is promoting a particular organization, and consequently their POV, in an unencyclopedic fashion. We're not a portal to anything and everything to do with the subject, we're an encyclopedia, and we're supposed to be developing authoritative articles, not ones that mention cool things we've read. Putting together things we've read in a way that does not represent expert opinion is original research - though this is hardly up there with writing an article about a quack physics theory!
On the footnote/reference thing, looking back through the history I see the editor before me turned the mention from a footnote into a reference - that's probably what drew my attention to it. --Siobhan Hansa 21:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your question at WP:HD regarding wikitables

Greetings, Squidfryerchef. I've gone ahead and changed the table at Citizens' band radio slightly; I hope this is what you had in mind. It should now be a little easier to add or remove stuff as well: the rows and columns in the wikicode (if you use your imagination) coincide with those of the table and its contents. Cheers! —XhantarTalk 21:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ( if this is the right page to be giving my thanks on ). This is closer to what I was hoping for, and it's something the other editors of that page could agree on. Squidfryerchef 02:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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