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[edit] The movie trailer shows the location?

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/thesimpsonsmovie/trailer3_large.html 1/4 of the trailer, they say the 4 countries who border springfield are ohio, nevada, maine and kentucky ?

[edit] Mason/Dixon line and Union Army

"Furthermore, Springfield must be north of the Mason-Dixon line, (as Springfield troops are seen wearing the blue uniforms of the Union Army in two episodes)"

This isn't necessarily true. Maryland was part of the union army, and is south of the Mason/Dixon line.71.251.62.235 01:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A hint?

I just saw "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington" (Season 3, Episode 2) and Springfield was in the state labeled "NT".. I'm not American so I don't know what that state could be.

--217.211.185.180 16:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] stenchburg

In 1 episode marge explains to lisa that their families chose between springfield and stenchburg. This could be used somewhere if not used already.

  • Stenchburg could be any city with an industrial scent hanging over it. Decatur, IL, for example, which is about an hour away from Springfield. Downwind, thankfully. Wahkeenah 11:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note:

Springfield in the Simpsons came from Springfield, Oregon It's about 2 hours away from Portland Oregon where The Simpson's creator lives at the moment. --Actown 03:59, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Note:

Dear Sir, I would like to bring to your attention that there is in fact a town of Springfield located in Washington County, Kentucky about 30 miles south of Shelbyville. Its also of interest that theres also a town of Simpsonville, KY near Shelbyville. Best regards, A Simpsons fan :)

Under culture, there's a link to a U.S. "liberal" - an article that doesn't exist. Is there any reason the link can't point to the general article on liberals? Krupo 04:30, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC

The Springfield the Simpsons in is actually in Missouri you can figure this out by watching one episode, this episode is the one in whcih the town is divided into old and new springfield and before it is divided they reveal the area code that they live in which just happens to contain Sprinfield, MO.

[edit] Olde/New dispute

Olde Springfield did not erect the wall to separate themselves from New Springfield. In fact, Mayor Quimby wanted to reach out to their neighbors in New Springfield, though this goal was suddenly put away when Homer Simpson threw a can at him. However, New Springfield's Homer Simpson hired Fat Tony and the Mafia to build a wall with 90% recycled materials.

[edit] Confederate flag

To my knowledge, South Carolina has never had a version of the Confederate flag incorporated into its state flag. The controversy was actually that the Confederate Battle Flag (or more accurately the Navy Flag) was atop the State House Dome, along with the State and National flags. Miss. and Georgia, however did.

[edit] Separate article for Springfield's state?

I think it would be helpful if we start a new article for the state in which Springfield is located and move state-related information from the Springfield article there.

What would the article be called? My best bet would be North Tacoma (The Simpsons). But I'm not sure there's enough to deserve an article. smurrayinchester(Penny for the Guy?), (The Guy) 16:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I've created it. I'm fairly sure the name of the state is North Tacoma, but if anyone is sure that it is North Takoma, please move it. smurrayinchester(Penny for the Guy?), (The Guy) 22:22, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] An embarrassing Springfield???

There are a lot of Springfields in the US. There isn't really much to argue, particularly since it is an on-going gag. Though if I were one of the writers, I'd make it out that The Simpson's Springfield is such an embarrassment due to its residents, so it is prohibited from being placed on any national map. After all Matt Groening once said that everyone in Springfield needs therapy, including Marge.

[edit] Capital City

I am pretty sure that "Capital City" refers to Washington, DC and not the capital of Springfield's state. Note the reference to "4th street and D" in the episode, which is an actual street corner in Washington. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

  • There was an episode where Lisa and Bart travel to Capital City to present Lisa's proposal for a new state flag to the Governor. (I think that the old one contained a depiction of slavery.) Ground Zero | t 15:16, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Capitol City is mentioned fairly explictly as state capital. Besides, The Simpsons have been to both Washington and New York, so it can't really be either of those. Besides, it is the Windy Apple! smurrayinchester(Penny for the Guy?), (The Guy) 22:24, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Evergreen Terrace

There should be an article on Evergreen Terrace, the street where The Simpsons live. Maybe even an article specifically on their house at 742 Evergreen Terrace.

[edit] Where is Springfield!?

A note to be added, but I wasn't sure how exactly to add it....

Springfield is listed as 299. Springfield, USA in the list of the top 300 US cities in the episode where MENSA takes over. --Landon 04:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] can we just get rid of the "where is springfield" section or at least most of it

seriously, who cares Rubber cat 04:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is one of the best known running gags from The Simpsons, refered to frequently and does explain why Springfield isn't in a state, although it could be cut down a bit.

[edit] Location Of Springfield

  • I think that it should be noted that in an episode of The Simpsons, Homer goes to work on an oil rig in another part of Springfield. When the family tries to find him the are looking at a map and lisa states that the part of springfield is three times larger then Texas.
  • it IS noted Rubber cat 07:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Location Of Springfield

In

http://televisioninfo.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_televisioninfo_archive.html

there's a very intersting analysis of The Simpsons.

Here is the part concerning the Location Of Springfield:

[That's a QUOTE from http://televisioninfo.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_televisioninfo_archive.html]:

"Setting

For more details on this topic, see Springfield (The Simpsons).

The Simpsons is set in the fictional United States town of Springfield. Throughout the show's history fans have tried to determine where Springfield is by taking the town's characteristics, surrounding geography and nearby landmarks as clues (in the episode "Blame it on Lisa" Lisa's Brazilian orphan pen pal "I tried to write, but I didn't know what state you lived in." to which Lisa replies "It's a bit of a mystery, yes, but if you look at the clues, you'll figure it out."). However, both the town itself and its location are fictional. Nearly every state and region in the U.S. has been both suggested and ruled out by conflicting "evidence" of a location for Springfield, so that the town could theoretically be anywhere. It seems it is kept vague on purpose so any plot device may be used. For example, it is sometimes an oceanside port town, whereas other times it is not. In the episode "Behind the Laughter" the Simpsons are described as "a Northern Kentucky family"; however, the real Kentucky town is not in that part of the state. In a later airing the location was changed to "southern Missouri" (the real Missouri city of that name is in southwest Missouri). Also, in the episode "Sweet & Sour Marge", it is mentioned that Tennessee is to the south of Springfield which would put them back in Kentucky or possibly, in Virginia. Some people claim, and with evidence from an episode suggesting they live near the West Coast of the United States, that they are from Oregon; this theory also makes some sense because the show's creator, Matt Groening, grew up in Portland, and there is a real Springfield near Eugene. There also exists an episode in which it is possible to catch a split second glimpse of Homer Simpson's driver's license, which gives his address as "Springfield, NT 49007", the zip code 49007 belongs to Kalamazoo, Michigan, but there is no state with the abbreviation NT (It has been said that "NT" stands for "Nice Try"--it has also been said that "NT" stands for "North Tacoma" or "New Tacoma" or possibly "Not Telling"). It is also mentioned that the territory known as "West Springfield" is much larger than the state of Texas, returning us to the notion that it is a fictitious place.

In one episode at a graveyard the characters throw dirt that blots out the grave of Adlai Stevenson (either the Vice President or Presidential candidate of the US) who was a well-known politician based in Illinois, implying Springfield, Illinois. Creator Matt Groening has stated that Springfield has much in common with Portland, Oregon, the city he grew up in (see Matt Groening's Portland), and the name "Springfield" was chosen because virtually every state has a town or city with that name. (See Where Is The Simpsons' Springfield? for more information on this issue.)

Animation scholars and fans have noted that the series uses the medium of animation to its advantage, allowing the show to take place in many settings and feature a far greater cast of characters than a live-action sitcom. The cost of having an episode of The Simpsons take place in the mountains, Europe, the city park, or a cruise ship on the ocean (all of which simply use drawn and painted backgrounds) is hardly more than placing the family in the more conventional sitcom settings of a living room, a kitchen, and perhaps one or two related settings. This allows for far more flexibility in plot development than a typical live-action sitcom constrained by physical limitations and logistics".


Note that in the Wikipedia state ment it specifically states Springfield is a "FICTIONAL" city. 'nuff said.

[edit] THOH XIII

In THOHXIII when it shows the areas the homer clones will be ocupiing the next day if you play the seen in slow motion the homer clones spawn from 6 states

Oregan Virginia Rhode Island/Vermount/connecticut(face is in the center) Georgia Illinos Ohio

anyone mind adding it to the artical?Deuxhero 18:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whoa! (places it's not)

In the section where it rules out states that the Simpsons can't be from, the article currently says they can't be from New York - but in the episode it's talking about, don't they specifically talk about just the city, not the state? I may be wrong, but I don't think the whole state is ruled out, just the city.JW 03:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there an episode where Bart's being aprehended by Principal Skinner where he says to Milhouse, "race you to Utah"? Bart's Comet episode. 65.100.219.94 20:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hank Hill

"Springfield is also 2,000 miles away from Arlen, Texas, which Hank Hill said in a brief cameo"- what episode was this could someone provide a link to the article of that episode-pz-------july 30 2006

[edit] Episode 1122 - Behind the Laughter

This episode re-aired last night. I heard a state mentioned in this episode that gave the location of Springfield. If is is aired again please pay attention to see weather I was daydreaming or not. Cheers.


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i think they said northern kentucky but this kind of episode doesnt count i think>

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In the Italian episode (the name escapes me) Hoemr gave the goat milker lady a mug that said Kentucky. Strange that out of 50 states they would throw in Kentucky. PS She claims that Kentucky means "whore" in Italian but that is most likely not true and could be done with any state, ruling that out.

[edit] Evidence?

The Simpsons is fictional. If you're going to start a debate with evidence about where the fictional city is, shouldn't you account for the series being fiction? "It has to be a state George Bush claims residence" - why? If Bush moves to Evergreen Terrace in the show, (which I assume he's never done in real life) why must the states in which he claims residence in real life be the only candidates? "only 11 states have legal medicinal marijuana" But why are we taking the real current date laws of the US as evidence of where the fictional city is? I dunno. Of course I admit I think the entire situation is silly because It's been stated over and over again that the city doesn't exist in a real state and the writers make no effort to limit it to one real location. That's like trying to figure out what galaxy Tatooine is in based on Star Wars films and real data about space in our universe. TheHYPO 12:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I quote a paragraph from the article
Springfield as a city (and its state), do not actually exist; rather, Springfield and its incisively observed cross-section of people may be seen as an allegory of The United States itself as a whole. Springfield, in fact, encompasses all of modern America. This is supported by the reference to the city as "Springfield, USA" in one episode, which shows its broad application over the entire United States. As a metaphor it thus travels around the states, pushing geopolitical localities off to replace them for the episode or such. It's a wandering state which makes it in effect "Not Just Another State".
Of course, the writers either deliberately obscure the location, or unintentionally. And anyone who knows about the show knows that. But that may not be apparent to people who never see the show. IMHO, these little pieces do not provide evidence of where Springfield is, but rather the conclusion I quoted above. This may seem silly to you, or to many people. And I admit that. But on the other hand, this is a topic that many other people are interested in scrutinizing. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
The whole "where springfield isn't" section is a horrible trainwreck of idle speculation and unsourced claims and needs to dramatically shortened or deleted altogether --Rubber cat 22:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • horrible trainwreck of idle speculation
Wikipedia should be encyclopedic. What about a "List of ..." article?
  • unsourced claims
Did I not give the links to episodes? Or should I include the ISBN or the UPC of the DVD set? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
My mistake, I meant the whole "Where is Springfield?" section. --Rubber cat 20:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] war widow referendum

Home was against a proposal to GIVE, not deny bus discounts to war widows, his line was "lousy war widows",

[edit] Needless conjecture

"In the episode "Lisa the Tree Hugger" featuring "Joshua Jackson" the final scenes show Springfield to be situated near "San Francisco" It shows Lisa's tree travelling through several famous landmarks before finally floating out under the "Golden Gate Bridge"" This line should be removed. The tree went clear across the country and passed a lot of landmarks that are not in California.

[edit] Proposed changes to Where is Springfield

Might I recommend linking to a new article like List of possible locations for Springfield. In this list, we put down each of the 50 states and have a sublisting for each describing reasons why or why not. The article could look like this:

Introduction to the gag and a rehash of Springfield's fictional nature
==Alabama==
===Pro===
* Reasoning 1
* Reasoning 2
===Con===
* Reasoning 1
* Reasoning 2
==Alaska==
===Pro===
* Reasoning 1
* Reasoning 2
===Con===
* Reasoning 1
* Reasoning 2
...

There is going to be reasoning in favour or against every location no matter what so trying to list things the way it's done in this article isn't very easy to understand. Plus this should cut back on article length (which is already over the recommended max) significantly. --Will2k 21:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a great idea. What about "proof" and "counter proof". I would imagine somebody preferring chronological ordering. Is there some place where editors can list what episodes they have examined, so that other can better prioritize? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 21:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "what episodes they have examined"--Will2k 03:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Editors of this article watch the episodes. But each of them may watch the episode in any different order. Sometimes an episode has no geographic clues at all. Clue-less episodes won't be listed here. But the converse is not necessarily true. By knowing what episodes other people have watched, others can move on to other episodes to find clues. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, but I think it's better left to something like The Simpsons Archive or another Simpsons fansite. --Rubber cat 18:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simple Proof on the location of Springfield.

Watch Season 10, Episode 12 - Sunday, Cruddy Sunday.

As Marge is giving her The Simpsons address on the phone to Vincent Price about the missing feet in the artbox she says "742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield Oh Hiya Maude!" in the same, running sentence. You dont even have to listen carefully to hear her clearly hint at "...Springfield Ohio..." And there was no reason for Maude to come in, its so blatent by Matt G. He probably read all your long-winded theories on it and just decided to give it away. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.238.99.65 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Or to further mislead the folks who think a cartoon city actually exists. Wahkeenah 10:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
That is just one instance of the many clues. This is not a "proof". --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 20:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
"There was no reason for Maude to come in"? You're kidding me! It's almost as if her only purpose in that scene was for some sort of joke! --Rubber cat 20:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC) - REPLY: Thats what i meant. - from original poster.
Some sort of joke? In a satirical cartoon? What a concept! Wahkeenah 20:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Plus, according to "Homer and Apu", there are apparently no Kwik-E-Marts in Ohio, so Springfield can't be in Ohio.[1] But then, fans have worked out that Springfield cannot be in any state for various reasons. Laïka 21:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
It's in a parallel universe. Either that, or Matt Groening made the whole thing up. I wouldn't rule out that possibility. Wahkeenah 21:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
No way! he made it up?? quick... someone get a picture of me and this genius. Jonomacdrones 09:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Springifeld represents all of America in just one town, or its actually a mysterious new state that hasn't yet been official recorded. The point is it isn't anywhere, yet it is also everywhere. It doesn't make any complete sense, because its a cartoon. Maybe they'll say it one episode near the end, if there is an end, but just as a joke like in Behind the Laughter. Gran2 19:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] State

The possiblities of Springfield's state takes up half of the entire page. The merge tag should be moving that section to Springfield's state (The Simpsons), and not the other way around. Reywas92Talk 22:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aqua Car

the article says: the economy collapsed when it was discovered that the Aquacar was prone to spontaneous explosion after 600 miles and/or knots. Knots are velocity, Miles are distance. I cant remember exactly what the series says so i'll leave it, but if it is put like that in the series it should say (sic) after it to show its a correct reproduction of a quote, or it should be changed to whatever is said. Jonomacdrones 09:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I know where Springfield is!!!!

In the episode Were on the Road to D'ohwhere it shows in a flashback when Bart lands in Michigan he undo's his belt and the the driver clearly says 'thanks a lot seat 27B! Now we all have to go back to Minneapolis' And i know he left from Sprienfield because the lady says "last time he flew with US!!" THIS PROVES SPRINGFIELD IS IN MINNEAPOLIS!!! Mt 1994 20:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

How do you know Minneapolis wasn't a stopover? --Rubber cat 03:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Mt 1994 is suppose to say "d'oh", now ! ;-p --WithNuts 14:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Not to mention, Minneapolis is a city in Minnesota, not a state. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.179.134.113 (talk) 08:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
If you go to compuglobalhypermega.net, it has a map showing all of the states it could possibly be in. I looked at all of the non-elimnated ones and found which of them has both a Springfield and a Shelbyville. Only one does, Illinois. --67.168.68.91 01:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sections on the "HIstory and Economy" Section

I made sections on the history and economics section. I broke it into (1) Colonial Era; (2) Colonial era through Mid-20th century; and (3) Modern Era. Hopefully the Modern Era will include historic and economic developments that have occurred in present/real time on the show; the Colonial --> Mid 20th c. will include the time period proceeding the "present day" but succeeding the colonial era. And the colonial era will hopefully just include colonial era stuff.

  • By the present day, I mean the present day of the Simpsons universe, not ours takethemud 11:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)takethemud

[edit] Kentucky reference - Lisa the Iconoclast

In the episode "Lisa the Iconoclast" Lisa has a dream in which George Washington says "We had quitters in the Revolution, too. We called them Kentuckians!" Maybe that should be added. 67.185.99.246 10:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Churhes of Springfield

the opening of the article states that there is one church in Springfield.

I have seen an episode (not sure the title) where Maggie has the chicken pox, and the family goes to find Dr. Hibbert at the more (as the Reverened Lovejoy puts it, I think) "boistrous" church, which is predominately African American.

Theres also a Temple (Krusty's father), right? --Mrlopez2681 05:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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