Talk:Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends
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- and the Human Torch, but concerns about copy-cat behaviour led to the Human Torch being replaced by a new character who had similar powers but didn't burst into flame every time she used them.
Is this true, or urban legend? One of the Fantastic Four pages states that there's a long-running but totally untrue urban legend the Human Torch was replaced with a robot in one of the cartoon versions due to this concern. Can anyone actually document this claim? Jdavidb 14:01, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
And, for that matter, who is the new character? Do they have a name?
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- If you mean the new Fantastic Four character, his name was H.E.R.B.I.E., who was created for the 1978 Fantastic Four cartoon, and, like Firestar, was written into the comics. According to the H.E.R.B.I.E. page, the problem with the Torch was not worries about kids emulating him, but that the character was being considered for a movie at the time (in other words, the same reason that the Torch was replaced with Firestar). If you mean the new character in Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, that refers to Firestar.
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[edit] Human Torch
I had heard that the actual reason for the removal of the Human Torch was because his look wouldn't be appropriate for children; I hadn't heard anything about legal issues. Could anyone verify this for me? -TsunamiWave7
- Most sources nowadays confirm that the "legal issues" explanation (the Torch being optioned for a film and thus unavailable for TV) is the correct one. If it was simply the flaming look that was the problem, then they probably wouldn't have had Firestar still glowing with heat and generating flame--she would have simply been generating energy blasts. -- Pennyforth 18:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] X-Men appeared on 1960's Namor cartoon
The X-Men actually appeared on the 1960's Namor cartoon, oddly enough. So this was not their animated debut. http://www.badmovieplanet.com/3btheater/s/sub-mariner.html
[edit] Stan Lee as narrator
This article and a few others on this site identify Stan Lee as the narrator of this show, and indeed the narrator was identified as Lee on the show, but I'm almost certain the narration was actually done by the voice talent and actor Jackson Beck, identifying himself as Stan Lee. (He's one of those voice talents you would instantly recognize on hearing him, whether you know his name or not; he did the voiceovers in Woody Allen's Take the Money and Run and Little Caesars pizza commercials in the 80s and 90s). I would change this in the article myself, but I can't find any verification online of Beck narrating the show; even the IMDb entry for the show lists Stan Lee as the narrator (and I'm absolutely certain it wasn't him, because it sounded nothing like him). Does anybody have any information about Jackson Beck narrating the show? MrBook 21:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Amazing Friends didn't have any narration for the most part, excepting the episode "Seven Little Spider-Friends", which Lee did narrate. It was the later Incredible Hulk animated series that was paired with Amazing Friends on NBC that featured narration by Stan Lee in every episode. Lee himself has spoken in interviews about his role as narrator for Hulk and the specific episode of Amazing Friends, so unless it's officially proven otherwise, it should be assumed that it was indeed Lee. -- Pennyforth 17:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Addendum -- force yourself to watch that stinker of a reality show, Who Wants to be a Superhero? just to listen to Stan Lee talk to the contestants, then check a tape of the Hulk cartoon or the "Seven Little Spider-Friends" episode, and tell me that wasn't Lee narrating those cartoons. -- Pennyforth 16:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The X-Men Adventure episode
Does anybody know why the cartoon producers chose to include Thunderbird with different powers (and who is actually dead in the Marvel universe), and also why they chose not to include the most popular X-Man Wolverine?
Wolverine was included in one of the episodes where the X-men guest starred (and fought the Juggernaunt), but due to the network censorship rules of the day, he had limited usage. You will also notice this in the 1989 "Pryde of the Xmen" tv pilot. It was only in the 1990s that the censorship rules were loosed up enough so that the X-men and Spider-Man series could have level of hand-to-hand combat/action that they did. I am not sure why they changed Thunderbird powers. Possibly an issue of censorship or his new powers were easier to animate.
- It's possible that the writers/animators considered the "shapeshifting" power they gave T-bird to be more flamboyant for a kid's cartoon, as well as stereotypically in line with him being a Native American, as were his enhanced senses (which were sort of reflected in his noticing that the holographic Nightcrawler lacked the brimstone odor when teleporting). Not to mention, Thunderbird's other powers of enhanced strength and agility were somewhat redundant among the other X-Men featured--Colossus had the strength, Nightcrawler the agility--when working in a cartoon medium where the general procedure is that one character is the "strong guy", one is the "acrobat", etc., etc., so perhaps they gave T-bird the quasi-mystic shapeshifting to distinguish him from the other characters. -- Pennyforth 17:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
