Talk:Special Reconnaissance Regiment

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Not that I am an expert, but I thought "Not by strength, but by guile" was the motto of the SBS. [[Paul, in Saudi 16:37, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)]]

A Google search turns up both "Not by strength, by guile" and "By strength and guile" as the motto of the SBS. The former appears far more often (and is given on the SBS page), but the latter is supported by this MoD page (although this may be out of date, or applicable to the SBS Reserve only, as the picture doesn't look like other descriptions of the SBS cap badge). At any rate, it seems unlikely that the SRR would have the same or similar motto. As both the SAS and SBS feature their mottoes on their cap badges, it is possible that the SRR's motto is simply "Reconnaissance" (which I admit lacks a certain zip). Franey 10:41, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unless someone can provide a source for the SRR's alleged motto, I think it should go. I'm taking it out. Franey 10:45, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Copyright violation 2 Proposed merge with British Forces Rangers 3 DO NOT MERGE 4 Further information on SRR involvement in Iraq 5 Bias in Article 6 An Apology 7 Insignia

[edit] Copyright violation

Chachu207's revision of 17:30, 10 Jun 2005 adds a full, word-for-word transcription of the Telegraph article already linked to. I'm taking it out. Franey 10:03, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge with British Forces Rangers

As has already been pointed out on Talk:British Forces Rangers, the two units are distinct. The SRR is a special forces unit, already operational, formed from 14 Intelligence Company; the "Rangers" have not yet been formed (or if they have, it's yet to be officially announced); are a support group for special forces, rather than special forces themselves; and will likely be based around 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment. I can't see any basis for a move. — Franey 12:07, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DO NOT MERGE

these 2 units are two seperate entities keep them seperate please.

[edit] Further information on SRR involvement in Iraq

There is information on the talk page of Iraq War which has been removed from that article. It relates to the arrest of the two British soldiers in Basra in September 2005. Relevant to be inserted here?

[edit] Bias in Article

In the 'History' seciton of this article, the second paragraph includes a statement of personal opinion which I find to be biased. The statement in quesiton is "Although someone did happen to say "we weren't here, im not lying, honest"." Should this article not be impartial?

[edit] An Apology

Straight away, I'm not going to start flinging mud around. The SRR are a sensitive subject and rightly information is sparse - in the open domain, anyway. I have over-hauled the original article, and included some absolutely cracking omissions, such as the fact that the British Army was solely engaged against 'Republican Terrorists' - utter rubbish. There are also numerous references to something called '14 Intelligence Company' - this organisation has never existed in fact. It is called JCU(NI). Darth Doctrinus 00:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

So why does Sarah Ford refer to '14 Intelligence Company' and it's constituent detachments, South, North and East Dets and the Untouchables (Sarah Ford, 'One Up', HarperCollinsPublishers, 1997, page 139.), and why does James Rennie also claim to have served with them (James Rennie, 'The Operators', Pen and Sword Military Classics, 2004, title page.)? And Duncan Falconer seems to think that he served with 14 Int too (Duncan Falconer, 'First Into Action', Warner Books, 2001, page 428.). I assume that you mean that its official name was abbreviated to JCU(NI) but it seems reasonable to refer to it as 14 Intelligence Company if that name is so widely used. Tim Watson 22:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Is this an encyclopedia or not? Do we want fact or not? Clearly, you may refer to this '14th Intelligence Company' all you like, but the fact is it has never officially existed. If you wish to include a reference to this organisation, you should also make reference to its status - or lack thereof. The unit was officially known as JCU(NI) - what various ghost writers call it in their works of embellished fiction is also immaterial. I'm not going to keep on banging this drum. Darth Doctrinus 07:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

You are perfectly correct to point out that what we should do is stick to the facts. If the facts are as you state then perhaps the article on 14 Intelligence Company should be corrected too? Tim Watson 10:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree - done!  :) Darth Doctrinus 09:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing up the confusion! :) Tim Watson 16:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Insignia

It is interesting that the insignia should depict a corinthian helmet. I wonder if this refers to the mythical helmet that was given to Hades that rendered the wearer invisible? Krea 00:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)