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where does this idea that the TDD "originally" lived by the Danube originate? i haven't seen anything like that in the extant lore. Whateley23 14:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Probably from somebody trying to link the Scythia of LGÉ material with the historical Galatian settlements in the valley of the Danube. A clever thing to notice on the one hand, but an unhelpful distraction on the other. QuartierLatin1968 17:19, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Probably derives originally from Herodotus - see e.g. [1] so at least there's a long tradition, however inaccurate it may be. Dlyons493 Talk 17:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

No no, Herodotus is right; there were historical Celts on the Danube (especially on the upper Danube, which is what he's talking about in that passage, unless I misread it). The archaeological and toponomical evidence confirms the same thing. The question was whether the Tuatha Dé, known to us essentially from literature, lived on the Danube. QuartierLatin1968 20:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 From Talk:Spear Luin 1.1 Gae Bolg? 1.2 Merge? 2 Post-merge

[edit] From Talk:Spear Luin

the description of the "element" of the spear seems to be an artifact of modern new age writers, rather than an accurate description of how the spear was viewed historically. though someone is attempting to overrule me on this, i do think that it is not appropriate to this article. i'll be happy to relent on this if someone can show a citation of an old source indicating that it was described as having an "element" of fire. Whateley23 07:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gae Bolg?

i've looked, and i can find nothing from the extant tradition which supports the idea that Lugh's spear was equated with the Gae Bolg of Cúchulain. if someone can find a cite to support that, feel free to return the info, but without any citations, i felt it best to simply remove the probably spurious information. Whateley23 11:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• They probably made it up for lack of material, like they did with Lorelei. Raijinili 03:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

• • I think you guys are right, but mention of the Gáe Bulg could be moved to a 'see also' section since both are, after all, Irish spears of mythical significance. Anybody might innocently come to the one article when they really meant to search for the other. QuartierLatin1968 18:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

Am I right to think that the subject of this article and Spear of Lugh are the same, and should be merged? QuartierLatin1968 18:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

seems appropriate to me. Spear of Lugh is also the more likely name to look for. Whateley23 14:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post-merge

Okay, I hope nobody objects to the one or two liberties I took in the course of merging – for example, I toned down the article's equation of the Spear of Lug with the Gáe Bulg and removed the (irrelevant and contested) mention of the Danube. Many of the statements flagged as needing citations are legitimately from LGÉ; I can look up the reference tonight, if I remember... QuartierLatin1968 22:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)