Talk:Spanish Civil War and Foreign Involvement
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[edit] Jews in the International Brigades in the Spanish Civil War
I think that the number of 6500-8000 Jews in the International Brigades is vastly inflated. I have never seen a number that high. Hugh Thomas puts the number of Jews at about 3,000 and that would be a little less than 10% of all the people who fought in that military formation. What is the source for such an inflated number? I checked out the citation of The Naftali Botwin Company, By Mitch Abidor and it is an internet source without citation. I have read several books on this Confict and none mentions such a high proportion of Jews.
Ethnically such would be almost impossible. The French, Italians and Germans furnished about 50% of the membership of the International Brigades and few Jews lived there as a proportion of the population. The most heavily Jewish countries that furnished large numbers to the International Brigades would be Poland and the United States. That would be a total of about 8,000 volunteers from both countries. The American volunteers were heavily Jewish, about 1/3 of the total, I would say. Polish volunteers were probably heavily Jewish also, but probably about the same proportion 1/3. That would be about 2700 Jews from those two countries. The rest of the countries had few Jews in the population except perhaps Hungary.
I would hope that proof be submitted or the new materials withdrawn.
GenghisTheHun 01:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)GenghisTheHun
[edit] Some rewriting needed
Under the 'American' heading is this 'The United States furnished 2,800 men of whom 900 were killed' then is proceeds to talk about European fighters?
"2,000 British served with 500 being killed. There were also 1,500 Czechs, 1,500 Yugoslavs, 1,200 Canadians, 1,000 Hungarians and 1,000 Scandinavians about half of whom were Swedes. The rest came from 53 countries.[14] Perhaps 3,000 of the volunteers were Jewish.[15]"
i moved it to under european but the article could do with more on american fighters. --Neon white 19:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Consolidated Articles
The main article of Spanish Civil War was criticized as being too bulky. I moved the foreign intervention part of that article here and broke it down into general headings. It will continue to need re-working to harmonize and reorganize the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GenghisTheHun (talk • contribs) 14:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
Forgot to sign!
GenghisTheHun 14:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)GenghisTheHun
[edit] Use of Thomas as a source
I checked Hugh Thomas's book. To arrive at his Axis figures he cites sources such as the NYTimes, Count Ciano, the official (Francoist) telling of the history, etc. and I rather get the impression he gave up on the matter leaving it for the next generation of historians with access to source documents. I believe that the matters of German aid (at least) have been settled most accurately in Leitz, Whealey, with Howson giving the latest overall of the democracies. I will consider how best to introduce the latest material to the article but removing much of Thomas would seem in order. One thing belonging to Thomas's book which didnt appear but perhaps should is the reproduced German attache communique. I will look into how to do that. Fluffy999 11:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Probably something like this
| Date | Nation | Aircraft | Tanks | Trucks | Material(Tons) | Ammo(Tons) | Misc | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1936 September | 3 Soviet | - | - | - | - | - | 500 | 1000 | - |
| October | 16 Soviet, 1 Spain | 25, - | 66, - | -, - | 58, - | 240, - | 2150, - | 4850, - | 3414 tons petrol, 450 tons clothing, 100 tons medical stores |
- But dont know how to make them appear inline removing the need for comma use. Fluffy999 14:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Use of Thomas as a source for Republican materials
I agree that Thomas is no longer the best source at least for materials to the Republic. Since the Iron Curtain archives have opened, much work was been done in that area. I think Gerald Howson is better than Thomas. I am working on his book right now. I am appalled at how much the Republic was swindled by the arms dealers and by Stalin. The problem that the Republic had, in one resepect at least, was that it had the cash. The Nationalists went on credit. I will work with you to get the proper figures. It appears that the Republican figures will go down. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GenghisTheHun (talk • contribs) 17:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
GenghisTheHun 17:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)GenghisTheHun
