Talk:Soviet (disambiguation)

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[edit] Merge proposal

The "soviet (word)" must be stripped from dicdef content (moved to wiktionary), and if necessary merged into the disambig page. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, in particular, not a Russian-English dictionary. `'mikka (t) 08:09, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I created this page in a hurry after objecting to the sudden move of this page from Soviet (disambiguation) (See Talk:Soviet (word)). After studying the history I now see that the mess started with an edit by User:158-152-12-77 (no longer anonymous). The new article contains material that should have gone to Wiktionary. The old version [1] is in many ways better than my new version. I would prefer disambiuation pages on people and places to be able to discribe the history and etymology of the word. An example of the problem is Saxony (disambiguation). This is however not in line with Wikipedia MoS for disambiguation pages. Well, maybe in a thousand years we will have an article called the Names of the Soviets or Etymology of Sovietsky and derivatives :-)

I have nothing against the merge. Too bad we are about to loose the edit history. Petri Krohn 09:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I am against it. It is difficult enough via search engines to find the meaning of "soviet" as such; this helps when studying 20th century Marxist movements, including factional fights (e.g., Spartacist organizations versus Leninist ones. Peter S. 4 April 2006

I agree with this Peter S. The current setup has no way of getting a user who types "http;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet" to the disambiguation page or the councils page, and someone who types this in likely to be trying to find out what a Soviet is. The analogy (made on some other talk page) to "American" is not valid: An "American" is simply someone of America (the U.S., or the two continents), and if there were an article on American people, then it would be titled something like "Americans" or "Demographics of the United States". A "Soviet", on the other hand, is, in its original sense at least, something wholly different from a person of the Soviet Union. Also, there's not really a point in having a disambiguation page if there's no indication of it when you type in the name of the page w/o the "(disambiguation)" part. --Atemperman 18:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The root meaning of "Soviet" (that is, besides being a council)

Interesting! By seeing the name of USSR in Ukrainian, I can see that word for Soviet sounds like Radianskyi -- as in radiant? Could this be the root meaning of Soviet? --Pinnecco 10:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I am not quite sure I understand your question. In any case, "radianskyi" is the adjective, formed from the noun "rada", which, in turn, means "a council". There is no connection with "radiant" whatsoever; it only looks similar and depends only on the romanization system used. Hope it helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)