Talk:Southport

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Contents 1 Politics 1.1 Merge 2 History of Southport in Merseyside 3 npov 4 Location of Steve Jones's Photography 5 Southport in Relation to Surrounding Areas 6 Pier Picture 7 Rail- Present 8 Population 9 Southport Reporter 10 Is my Memory Faulty or Correct? Someone please help!

[edit] Politics

[edit] Merge

There was previoiusly a note to merge the Politics section with Southport (UK Parliament constituency). I removed this in light of recent plans to rename/redefine Southport's constituency to allow time to see what actually happens. --me_and 14:43, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of Southport in Merseyside

I've copied this over from User_talk:IanDavies, as it's relevant to the article:

I know that Southport is now part of the (administrative) county of Merseyside(!), but think it's important to also mention that it was part of the (administrative) county of Lancashire before that, which is what I put. (It is still part of the traditional county of Lancashire however - the borders for that have never changed).

I just tried to give a bit more detailed idea of the history behind the decision, which I think is important to include as it was (perhaps still is!) a contentious issue in the town. I can see it was a bit fuzzy though, so I've rewritten my earlier effort and I think my new version makes the situation clearer and shows the distinction.

(I was also trying to point people towards the distinction between different types of county, and the different roles they play by referring to them by the technical terms administrative, ceremonial and traditional counties, and pointing towards those articles in Wikipedia).

Have a read at my new version and see what you think - hopefully you'll like the new version more!

PS I agree with your removal of the sentence about the traditional county in the Lancashire article - I was going to do it myself (I didn't write it, I just moved it). The problem is that there is only one page for 'Lancashire' , a term which relates to two different areas according to which type of county you're referring to. We'll just have to make it clear each time the difference is important, and refer to the ceremonial [ie modern] or traditional [ie old] county specifically. Aquilina 13:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Having looked at you edit's. Are you doing this as part of the Campaign for Real lancashire?--IanDavies 14:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

No, I have no agenda. It's just that it's more complicated a situation than saying "Southport is in Merseyside" makes out. That is true, but it's not the full picture at all.

Please clarify what you feel is wrong with adding the extra information. It doesn't contradict your version, just gives a fuller picture. Aquilina 16:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Aquilina 17:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with the content but I think it should be in either a section of it's own or the History section. The status in Merseyside is a fact of life. An easier way to do it would be to produce a good article on the debate from a National POV.--IanDavies 20:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

If you think it should be in a section of its own, that's where you should have put it rather than simply reverting! - it's basic wikiquette, and far more constructive. I would disagree with putting it in the history section, as Southport's status within the *traditional* county of Lancashire is still current [just as much a fact of life as its presence in the *administrative* county of Merseyside], and relevant - many people in Southport still give their county as Lancashire, and for this reason alone it deserves clarification and explanation. Southport's status in both of these different types of counties is not a POV matter - it's plain fact.

I will put the information in a separate section; if you disagree with this version, please edit it constructively or, if you feel you must revert it, why not RfC it at the same time? Hopefully this will be a good compromise option, but if this fails we might as well try and seek mediation. Aquilina 15:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I did edit constritivly I spelt out the exact Historical relationship and modern one. It is you edits which seek to give some offical status to the taditional counties that is bad editing. --IanDavies 16:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Either way, the current version should hopefully be ok for both of us. There is no mention of Lancashire till the new third section. If not, please just edit the *specific* bits you disagree with, rather than reverting the lot, as I've added extra stuff [about the merge with Bootle and so on] which shouldn't be lost. Aquilina 16:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

It's fine with me.--IanDavies 18:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that both the current administrative status of Southport and its position within a traditional county are key aspects of the town's identity, and therefore should be mentioned in the introduction. I hope that my edit reflects this from a neutral point of view, and avoids offence to the partisans of the new and the old. Countersubject 01:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] npov

The page smacks of an advert for southport, specifically on the transport side of things. I think we should point out that there is no direct rail link to Preston and the town is not well connected by road.

Moved this section to the end of the page. New items are by convention appended to the page. Countersubject 11:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Location of Steve Jones's Photography

I see from the page's history that there's some uncertainty about the location of SJ's photography. Under or over water? Is this significant? Have I been away from Southport for too long? Countersubject 00:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Southport in Relation to Surrounding Areas

I've removed the paragraph 'It is called Souwie by the Scousers' from the intoduction, added by 82.152.209.70 at 11:32, 18th July, as it doesn't really fit in the introduction. Perhaps it could belong in a new section on the interaction of Southport with its surrounding areas, from a number of angles: economy, society, geography, language etc. BTW - Wikipedia encourages those who edit pages to do so through a Wikipedia account. Countersubject 12:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pier Picture

If anyone could upload a picture of the pier for the Southport Pier article I would appreciate it. --Paul E. Ester 01:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rail- Present

Why is there a load of stuff about Pleasureland in the rail section? Should we make a Pleasureland section, or mention it in economy?

[edit] Population

I have added up the Ward statistics on the UK National Statistics website for the 7 wards that cover Southport within Sefton to come up with an accurate figure for the population (see reference on article).

[edit] Southport Reporter

The para on the Southport Reporter under History verges on a commercial, and seems to have undertones of the rivalry between local internet-based media. The only think that prevented me from removing it was its claims for notability. Are these well-founded? If not, then the para should be removed. If they are, then it should be shortened, and perhaps moved elsewhere on the page. Countersubject 00:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Removed. Countersubject 12:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is my Memory Faulty or Correct? Someone please help!

Having been brought up in Southport in the 1950s I seem to remember there was a large explosion at a petrol station not far from Meols Cop Secondary School. This would have been around 1957. I'll continue to attempt to find out if this actually happened.

Soarhead77 16:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)