Talk:Southern Airways Flight 932

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Cleaned up a sentence and removed the reference to Xavier discontinuing its football team since it isn't very relevant.

[edit] infobox and memorial

Both have been restored by myself and Youngamerican. The opposing party has failed to give any reason and is attempting to circumvent due process by engaging in a revert pinwheel. As standard, it should stay as it is not only relevant to discussion, but enhances the page with additional information. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 00:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Both the infobox and the photo make for a stronger article. I wonder if they could be a bit more graphically balanced if they were both the same width. WVhybrid 01:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The title of the page is the Flight itself, not the actions about the Memorial. The Memorial correctly belongs further donw the page; or perhaps a page for itself. The photo is nice but I think a photo of the fountain at Marshall might be an even better addition. The article is missing a little information relevant to the airliner crash itself and could use updating. Mfields1 02:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

It would be unnecessary and redundant to create a page about the memorial when it could easily fit on this relatively sparse page. Fill it up with content, then we can decide if it can be moved elsewhere. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 03:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

If you insist on including an infobox, do you mind changing the type of crash to "unknown" or " not determined", since CFIT does not fit what happened. If you would like a definition of CFIT visit the website Faa.gov/education/research/training/media/cfit. An altimetry system error was a possible cause of the crash, which means equipment malfunction for all you aviation experts. Knightridder.

The link you provided no longer exisits. The FAA maintains the following definition of Controlled Flight Into Terrain (CTIF): A CFIT accident occurs when an airworthy aircraft, under the control of a pilot, is flown into terrain (water or obstacles) with inadequate awareness on the part of the pilot of the impending disaster. The Board concluded the accident was the result of a descent below Minimum Descent Altitude during a non precision approach under adverse operating conditions, without visual contact with the runway environment.... They further stated the ...two most likely explanations (for the greater descent) are (a) improper use of cockpit instrumentation data, or (b) and altimetry system error. The flight was under pilot control up until impact. The pilots most certainly did not have awareness of what was going to happen until it actually happened, whether it was due to a procedure error on their part or due to an instrument error. It was a tragic event, one which happened more frequently in that time in aviation than today. There are many examples. Mfields1 23:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deese = Crew?

Danny Deese was not a member of the flight crew, and was not responible for the safe conduct of the flight. He was not listed as flight crew according to the NTSB in their investigation. His presence on the aircraft was not required in order for the airplane to fly per the FAR or the aircraft's type certificate. Some individuals and groups may consider him as part of a crew, based on the fact that he did help out... Thus, I count only 4 crew personell. Opinions? Check-Six 05:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll go with the official source from the NTSB on this. So how can this be broken down? The following needs revising: "The plane was carrying the thirty-seven members of the Marshall University Thundering Herd football squad, eight members of the coaching staff, and twenty-five boosters home after a 17-14 loss against the East Carolina University Pirates in Greenville, NC" to reflect the updated counts. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 06:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to give up for now, you obviously know everything. I am not going to waste my time trying to educate you on this terrible disaster that has changed so many of our lives. Knightridder

Good riddance then, you have obviously failed to cooperate with others and work together as a team to try to make this article well sourced, researched and factual. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 16:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Knightridder - While I don't exactly share Seicer's seniment on the matter, we should strive to be as factual as possible. Now, if you have supporting evidence to the contary of our assertions, please bring it forward. And, please sign off your comments using the ~~~~ so they are automatically time/date stamped. I truly look forward to making this an exceptional article with your help. Check-Six 17:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If it was not for his arrogant attitude, his snide edit histories and his lack of cooperation, I would have assumed good faith. Otherwise, he's just another arrogant user who wishes to push his objectives and "facts" onto others without research. This page (and Wikipedia) is better because of these checks-and-balances. If he wishes to not cooperate, then he is more than free to leave and edit elsewhere. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 18:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photography to be done

I suggest that a Wikipedian travel to Huntington, West Virginia, and photograph the Marshall plane crash site. I would like to see what the plane crash site looks like today. The photograph would be released to the public domain. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 20:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)