Talk:South Africa national rugby union team

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[edit] Springbok name

I've read different accounts of how the name came about (very similar stories about the 'Wallabies' name too). Some say Paul Roos invented it to prevent the team being given any other name by the UK press, some say the Daily Mail invented it. I've gone with the latter as Roos did write a letter to the press explaining that the correct Afrikaans plural is 'Springbokken'. It is certainly clear at least that he did not intend 'Springboks' to be the nickname.

As for the Springbok not being on the blazer at this time. Please quote a source. Most of the sources I have used are quoted at the bottom of the page. One of which says that the 1906 tour squad did wear a Springbok on their blazer.GordyB 21:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Edit - I wrote the above without reading your edit in full. You may well know what you are talking about. I will leave your edit to stand if you can provide a source over the blazer.GordyB 21:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I should have read this discussion before making my edit (I got it from the Paul Roos article! I reversed my edit after coming across a source claiming the badges were present already, and that the Paul Roos story is false :- [1] Greenman 21:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I checked a book on rugby history (Rugby and all that - Martin Johnson) and I now believe Greenman to be largely correct. There are different versions of the naming myth and I will now edit the page to be a new version incorporating much of Greenman's data. My original source seems to have been sloppy journalism.GordyB 08:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Although "Springboks" is used colloquially, the correct English name is Springbucks. This has been emphasised many times but rugby experts. When South Africa first toured England, they were definitely called the Springbucks and the name was never changed officially.--Igitur za 15:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
A) officially they were 'Springbokken' B) SA Rugby uses Springboks c) Never heard of 'Springbucks'.GordyB 15:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origins of rugby in South Africa

It is very confusing. For some reason the SARFU seem to think that Winchester rules are a type of rugby and many sources credit Oglivie as the father of South African rugby even though he was promoting a different sport.

This is the best I have found on Gog's role in SA rugby. Winchester school claim that their game held sway until 1878 but I do not know how Rugby rules came to trump Winchester ones or why Gog is considered so important.

If you know better then please edit.GordyB 15:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current notable players

Moved here, as most names can be found in current squad and the list is more pov than the past one.

[edit] Present

(Edit) Tiaan Strauss is not a current player. As I remember he was a defector who left SA to play for Australia after he missed out selection in the 95 world cup. Travsuth 06:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent fixture, and Upcoming fixtures lists

Please contribute to the discussion about this at the WikiProject Rugby union talk page here. - Shudda talk 22:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sentence removed for lack of substantiation

"Until the 1990s the Springboks had a positive win record against every nation they played."

Please substantiate this argument before replacing the claim, as the article states that New Zealand won the 1956 series and the 1981 series.

Do you perhaps mean that "Overall, the Springboks won more matches than they lost against every nation they played"? DocDee 05:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

That's what it says.GordyB 19:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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