Talk:Sophia Paleologue

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[edit] Name

Should not it be Sophia Palaeologus instead of Sophia Paleologue? The dynasty's name in latin is Palaeologus in all documents. Seems like current name is just thansliteration of the translation of the name in Russian. Compay 22:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Bullshit. Latin is irrelevant: the article is about Greek princess and Russian tsarina. She should be Sofia Palaiologina, which is her Greek name. The traditional English rendition is Sophia Paleologue, alas. --Ghirlandajo 22:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Sophia seems to be Russian. Her Greek name was (apparently) Zoe Palaiologina. I've added this as a redirect. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First to introduce?

"It is thought that she was the first to introduce the Kremlin to grand Byzantine ceremonies and meticulous etiquette." Huh? Russia had close relations with Byzantine for centuries. Olga, the ruler of Kiev Russia back in X Century was baptized in Constaninopol... Do I miss something? --24.17.211.12 07:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Well Olga was from Kiev, and the Kremlin is in Moscow, so technically Sophia was the first to introduce Byzantine customs to Moscow; not to Russia. That argument however, doesn't really stand...But maybe that's what the author of that sentence meant? Ryan 04:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Guys, you really need to read up on the issue. The double-headed eagle, the idea of Moscow as the Third Rome, the title of caesar for a Russian sovereign - it all dates from Ivan's marriage to Sophia. There are volumes written on her uncommon haughtiness, on her insistence that Byzantine court ceremonies be adopted in Russia, on her promotion of crafty Byzantine intrigues at court, etc, etc. --Ghirla | talk 10:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I've read up on the issue, thank you, but what I wrote wasn't quite what I meant. I meant that, even though Russia had been in contact with the Byzantine court for centuries, it took the marriage of Sophia to Ivan for the Russians to adopt Byzantine court culture in and of itself and what it entailed. She may not have been the first to intoduce Byzantium to Russia, but she certainly had one of the biggest impacts on it. I hope I've made my point clear :-) Ryan 03:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)