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[edit] Associated songs

I noticed the Associated songs section is missing all the songs from the Sonic CD soundtrack, from both the Japanese and US releases. Maybe they should be added. The songs are "Sonic - You Can Do Anything" and "Cosmic Eternity - Believe In Yourself" by Keiko Utoku from the Japanese CD and the theme from the US release was "Sonic Boom" which was performed by Pastiche. Petros86 18:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC) I love all the Sonic song's but who is pastiche?

[edit] walk of game star

we should mention he got a star in walk of game--Superbub 02:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC) WHA

[edit] The death

In Sonic the hedgehog next gen is it true that Sonic died and call me Sonic pleaseSonicrules2 03:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Sonicrules2

Warning, Spoilers here : Yes, he died. Mephiles killed him. But he ressurected later as Super Sonic. DjinnFighter 01:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

But then again, (SPOILER! OH NO!) it never really happened. Or something. Regardless, it was just a one-time event in one game, and is nothing of grave importance. Gurko 15:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I would rather we don't put spoliers here. I have beat the game completly on PS3 and Sonic dies but comes back to life but don't put spoliers in here. NOTE: Gurko you are kinda giving a spoiler too you know.Themasterofwiki 17:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC) who is Mephiles,I DOUBT HE WOULD WANT TO KILL SONIC

Tmow, it doesn't matter whether you would want to have spoilers in here. There is no rule in Wikipedia saying we cannot, as long as we put in a template that one is coming up. CatMan 01:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC) (P.S. to the self-proclaimed master: when you use correct spelling and grammar, people will be more likely to take you seriously.)

[edit] Sonic Online

Isn't there some sorta Sonic Online thing that was created with Halo I find this really really weird.Themasterofwiki 17:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a mod for Halo called "Sonic Adventure Online", I think. Gurko 12:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

How can I sigh up?Themasterofwiki 12:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not full on the details myself. Here's a site about it. Gurko 20:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC) I can't wait for Halo 3 but I don't think Hardcore shooters would wanna see cute lil' Sonic on Xbox-360.

Well to bad Sonic The Hedgehog is for Xbox 360 sorry to brake your heart.Themasterofwiki 18:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cocept Mobius-for archie, NOT THE GAMES!!!

why should we rely on concept mobius for the official info for the game articles whean their for Archie comics only? that's dosen't make sence. --Sonicobbsessed-The Self-Proclamed Ultamate Sonic Fan 22:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

/me laughs. Try visiting the site. —davidh.oz.au 01:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

what is this mobius thing and what is Sonic doing in Archie from America when he's Japanese?

About Mobius: Since when was this the real world Sonic was from? I don't remember EVER hearing any official bits about this, and the only things that ever had Sonic from a planet other than Earth was in the Archie crap and Sonic X. - Master Otenko

Mobius was Sonic's official home in the U.S. up until Sonic Adventure. The comics have since retconned it into being a future Earth.GrandMasterGalvatron 18:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
After actually going to this "Project Mobius" place, it has now become one of my favorite sites. That place is great. But my comment had little to do with the site... it was about some talk about the setting of a few sonic games. Masterotenko 18:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In accuracy

I may be young to be complaining about tjis, but, this character has been somethin i have been well knowleged to since a vey young age. and i noticed a laerge suppply of in accurate inforation on him. and no mention that officially, the english storyline is different from the american one, and that in japan there are two, one that was originally intended for more adult fans. without accounting for these differences, such as orriginally in england there were no fredom fighters, and Sally and the royal family were never shown. but that was origianlly to remove the personal relations from the main storyline, than the games and american comics. including the reason why sonic now keeps away from deep personal relations, i.e. wen Sally Acorn met her maker, but later on returned. Also the difference btween earth and mobius is more than just time. And the obvious feelings he does have for amythat he will likely never act apon, these were shown at some points in the games. These feelings though seemed to have developed more on earth. If given the chance there are many correction that most could make that olny the real fanatics (upto you if that a good or bad thing) could make. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chaosa (talk • contribs) 11:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] I'll tell ya!

LuigiManiac, I know because it had been said by Sonic Team countless times! 207.74.196.20 16:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

LuigiManiac has a talk page if you want him personally... And they haven't said it "countless" times, really. May have been in some early Japanese manuals... I need to check this up. Gurko 17:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Headlining Images

Now, I saw some guy replace all the 06 images with the Channel ones. I personally didn't think it was a bad idea. However, what I'd suggest is that the Shadow the Hedgehog images be used. The reason being is that those exact same models were used again in Rivals, and 06s models seem to be a one time occurrence. Not only that, but the Rivals artwork also has new models in the Shadow style for Metal Sonic, Silver, and Eggman Nega. I'd say the fact that Secret Rings abandoned the "realistic" style of Sonic the Hedgehog, Rivals reused the Shadow art and added to it, and Yogiro Ogawa (I think that's his name) himself said that the "realistic" style doesn't fit with Sonic is more than enough evidence for the time being that that style is gonna be the official standard for a good long while.

So my suggestions on main art would be:

  • 1. If character has official art from Rivals, use that as it's the latest.
  • 2. If character fails #1, use Shadow the Hedgehog art as that uses the same style.
  • 3. If character fails #2, use the Sonic Channel artwork as those are the latest renders available.
  • 4. if character fails #3, use the latest art released for that character.
  • 5. If character fails all of the above, use an in game screenshot of said character. This would apply mostly to super forms and older characters. Though the super forms of old should use their in game final pose or something similar.

Comments, objections?GrandMasterGalvatron 15:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Not a bad idea at all. Though where can we find Rivals artwork? Gurko 15:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea, this might just be the way to end these conflicts over the pictures. --LuigiManiac | Talk 15:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I have some of the Rivals art on my home PC which were take from flash files in the official websites. The art is also scattered across various Sonic message boards. Also, you can check the SEGA FTP, or get it off the official sites yourself. Lastly, I'm sure there's some pieces in Sonic, Shadow, and Metal's edit history.GrandMasterGalvatron 15:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The thing is, Rivals uses Channel artwork, and the ones that aren't in Rivals are the first artworks they've ever got. Also, I think that artwork is better that game renders. Just my view. PD. I was the image editer. -Eriorguez

Correction. Rush uses Channel artwork. Rivals uses the Shadow models.GrandMasterGalvatron 22:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, I think that the ambiguous art is better that the renders of a single game, and it allows usage of a single format to the largest number of characters.

EDIT: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3087/016mu3.png http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1755/020tg2.png http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9175/023vo6.png http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3263/025nk1.png http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/237/031ge2.png http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5880/064ad6.png http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3203/065fw5.png http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7058/066mr6.png http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6198/067vi4.png http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3991/068ey9.png http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5554/069to2.png http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8576/086lx8.png http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7164/118ou1.png http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2051/120mr0.png http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2563/131ri2.png http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4180/145dc7.png

There are more Channel artworks that ShTH renders. Don't go around lying just because you prefer some models. -Eriorguez

I never said there were less channel renders. You just mentioned the wrong game >_>GrandMasterGalvatron 18:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • looks at links* I mean the story art genius! XD Note that it's also official art for the game. I could care less about the little card extras.GrandMasterGalvatron 19:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

History art, from a portable game, instead of the official art SEGA releases? And I guess Wikipedia is not themfz.com, nor you are that Blitz guy, so don't use something someone ripped out of a game with his tools for spiriting purpose, to use it in encyclopedic way. Also, shouldn't be better to have the most characters using the same format? It's more, comfortable. And I don't see why we should use renders from a game, specially story art, which is just something like a cutscene screenshot. No, let's use the official art, which is, erm, official, and has the same format for 23 characters, higher that the cast of any game, and using the same format for characters of a series is common practice in Wikipedia. If we have several official releases, we should pick the one that includes the most characters. Geez, picking an sprite sheet for using in Wikipedia, but editing to death Super Silver's name out of that page, despite filenames in the final game...

That was an example. I have the full renders for that game. Also note it's the same style for Shadow the Hedgehog which means that the Chaotix have some as well in addition to Omega using his Heroes Art. I also have permission to use that sheet so cut that blather. In addition, the Super Silver thing was adherence to policy. Those two halfwits outright refused to accept that same reasoning for Super Tails and Super Knuckles so I forced them to heed their words and do the same for Super Silver. Just like I'm forcing these other two halfwits to heed their words and AfD/merge then entire series of Sonic articles. There were common problems across the series and I'll be damned if one takes the fall for it and others get off for the same offense.

Anywho, I don't oppose using the Channel art either. I suggested the Shadow/Rivals art because it looks better, but now you have an X factor: Metal Sonic.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

2 or 3 months, and it'll get art.

Meh, why not use all: latest 3D render and latest 2D art, or in the case of the Babylon rogues, use both art styles? BTW, sorry if I went too far in my previous comment. Eriorguez

Oh you're fine. It's been me who's been flying off the handle lately. Anywho, that was what I suggested: Those who have 3d art in this style should use it as the style has been used multiple times, and all others default to Channel art, and then so on and on. Again, the use of the 3D art is a personal preference for a good visual appeal, but it more people wanna immediately default to the channel art then that's cool too.GrandMasterGalvatron 03:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and uploaded the Rivals art for Shadow, Silver, and Metal Sonic for a trial. If people think the channel art would be better then we can upload those....except Metal because he doesn't have one.GrandMasterGalvatron 19:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I have already uploaded all Channel data. Metal will likely get art soon, now that it's over with the SA characters, and I guess we won't be getting Maria and Gerald art... User:Eriorguez

I say we should keep the Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) artwork. It has much better quality. --Coconutfred73 02:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

That may be, but it's only for one game, and the style has already been abandoned. The only exception I could see would be Omega, but I'll let Eriorguez make the final call.GrandMasterGalvatron 03:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Then what else can we do? The only option is to use artwork for the most recent games as of now and that would be Sonic and the Secret Rings, but there is no recent artwork from Sonic and the Secret Rings for the characters in the game except Sonic. --Coconutfred73 03:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

That's true, but notice that Secret Rings abandoned the "realistic" style of 06 and went back to the Adventure Era looks. Even Eggman's his old' fat self again. In addition, Yogiro Owaga (head of Secret Rings) has said that he personally doesn't like the 06 style and finds it unfitting. Those seem to be good reasons not to use that style as the main images as it seems to be a one time thing. I've already said my piece though so I'll leave it up to you lot.GrandMasterGalvatron 03:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Omega is in it's pre-06 look again. Rivals cards are gret things... User:Eriorguez

Is this thing still going on? If it is I think we should use the Sonic Rivals art since it outdated the Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) art. --Coconutfred73 06:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mario vs sonic

i think there should be a section about "mario vs sonic" in this article as it was such a big question among gamers in the 90's. or maybe even mario vs sonic as an article on its own telling stuff like how mario could win or how sonic could win and other stuff. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.218.92.64 (talk) 01:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Not a bad idea; for now, I've added Mario to the See Also section. Maybe such a section would be better suited for the Sonic series article, though. Paul Haymon 22:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overall template for all Sonic character articles

Looking over all of the Sonic character articles, sections are strung about every which way in comparison to each other. Sonic's doesn't get to his personality until section 4, but Knuckles digs right into that in section 1. I think its a little messy and an overall template should be created and adhered to be uniform. My suggestion is:

Start with the usual short description which mentions the most important aspect of the character (the character's basic description: like "Tails is a male anthropomorphic fox with 2 tails" but omit mention of his flight abilities and such since it is better covered in a later section), the character's debut date, and his/her role in games (like the purpose of Tails is to be Sonic's sidekick). Sonic's opening is a good example, thou some of the more detailed stuff could go into later sections (thou his strong association with Yuji Naka is good, how he was created by Naoto Oshima and all might go better in the design section, see below)

To keep it more encyclopedic, the first sections are about the real life and behind the scenes deals: start with design (who made the character and how, important notes, changes in design, voice actors, etc) then going into other things like importance to pop culture (like Sonic appearing in Macy's parade, cameos) and other real tidbits (like real stuff from other media - TV, comics, etc.).

the next sections then deal with in character stuff:

1 start with personality,

2 then character interactions (split by friends then rivals then enemies subsections and then go both in order of importance to the character in each - for example a character like Cream would start her friends with Cheese, then her mother Vanilla, then Amy, then Sonic...),

3 after that is other character stuff (like important events in the character's history, home, prophesies, and other need to know stuff),

4 finally ending with the abilities section (go in order of importance - for example Sonic would list his namesake speed first with each of that ability's variations like the Super Peel Out from Sonic CD, then his trademark spinning abilities and other variations thereof of that like the Spin Dash, Homing Attack, etc., then other natural abilities not related to those like his break dance influenced fighting, up next maybe (only MAYBE because including these could make it cluttered) his use of items (like special shields), then another maybe (still don't want clutter) in power ups (like bounce bracelet), then it finally concludes with transformations (Super Sonic, Darkspine Sonic).

the next sections deal with the character in other media (TV, comics, etc) listed in order of creation (which came first) it quickly points out what is similar (sort of like "see above" stuff), but mostly dwells on differences: start with personality then interactions finally abilities just like the above

or the other media section could just be incorporated into the bottom of each of the other sections, but make sure a distinction is made between the games and each of the other media titles (still go in order of which came first therefore games would still be first)

Man thats a lot of work isn't it. Cigraphix 20:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It may be a lot of work, but it's a great Idea! I've actually thought of something like that myself. If we can establish a good solid template, I'll apply the needed force XD
I am GrandMasterGalvatron, and I approve this proposal. *shot*GrandMasterGalvatron 20:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
"Start with the usual short description which mentions the most important aspect of the character (the character's basic description: like "Tails is a male anthropomorphic fox with 2 tails" but omit mention of his flight abilities and such since it is better covered in a later section)"
No - the Sonic characters' abilities are the most defining things about them, far more so than any personality traits. Lead sections on Wikipedia are supposed to summarise the entire article, so their skills should be one of the main things mentioned there.
"To keep it more encyclopedic, the first sections are about the real life and behind the scenes deals: start with design (who made the character and how, important notes, changes in design, voice actors, etc) then going into other things like importance to pop culture (like Sonic appearing in Macy's parade, cameos) and other real tidbits (like real stuff from other media - TV, comics, etc.).[...]the next sections then deal with in character stuff:"
I agree with this split into two broad sections. On Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (series), I recently noted that there should be "a clear distinction between those two ways of looking at the games (as videogames, and as stories)". The same applies to the characters: out-of-universe information (original creation of the character; appearances in games, comics and cartoons) should be kept fairly separate from in-universe information (special abilities; origin stories...).
Obviously there's some blurring: it's not practical to have one out-of-universe section on Sonic the Comic ("The British Sonic the Comic was first published in 1993 by Fleetway...") as well as an entirely separate in-universe section on the same thing ("The British Sonic the Comic gave Sonic's home as Mobius and used the 'Kintobor' origin story established in Stay Sonic...") --Nick RTalk 21:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I do partially agree with you on the character abilites - if it is as defining as Sonic's that it is his namesake, it is worth mentioning - however when we get to other characters, like Knuckles, what is would it be? Knuckles has his punches, gliding, climbing, digging, treasure hunting, guarding the ME, his power, get the picture? If we list them all then we have to list them all for all the characters or risk making it look like its not a NPOV, and then whats the point of the abilites section? We should stick to namesakes or their most defining trait: Knuckles has 2 spiked knuckles on each hand, Tails has 2 tails, Sonic runs at supersonic speed, Amy chases Sonic, Shadow is a Sonic doppleganger with an added ability called Chaos Control, Rouge is a treasure hunter, Vector listens to his headphones, Espio can be invisible, Charmy... well uh hmm. Cigraphix 15:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Charmy can fly. Just trying here. Untii next edit, SonicBoom95 18:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS CAUSE I DONT WANT TO GO THRU ALL THE TROUBLE TO ONLY HAVE IT REVERTED A FEW MINUTES LATER!!! Anyway, a few changes I've thought of for my suggestion:

1 the 'Abilities' section should instead be divided into 'Strengths' and 'Weaknesses' like the Sonic Jam bios.

2 NickR is right, it would also be crazy to include that 'other media' section, all 'other media' sections should be put at the end of respective sections (personality with personality) in chronological order of creation and easily distinguishable by seperate paragraphs or subsections, subsections only if they can be done without looking cluttered—which i kinda doubt (i wasnt thinking about non-game universes when i put my original idea together and kinda tacked stuff in, this is fixing it). I also think this should be applied to all sections: for example the design section of Robotnik should deal with game, tv, etc, media (he was changed so drastically for some of them) - start exclusivly on the game version of 'Botnik and his Adventure, STH06 redesigns, then AOSTH (i think that came b4 the next), SatAM, comics, Underground, SX (of course fix any incorrectly listed out of order)

3 If it can be stated vaguely enough to still be a summary, perhaps things like Tails flight should be mentioned in the lead section/intro (but only if it is RELATED AND IMPORTANT to that defining trait): 'Tails can use his two tails for aerial mobility,' 'Knuckles can use his spiked fists in powerful punches.' But nothing like 'Tails can spin his tails like a helicopter to fly or push himself along the ground for super speed to keep up with Sonic'- details of how he does it and what he uses it for are better for lower sections. On the other hand, Cream's ability to fly is not as important to her as her relationship to Cheese, which is their defining trait, so her flight does not need mentioning in the lead section (also of note is her mother Vanilla, who is also not important to know about the character, nor is character weight, height, or age which are better off in the info under the main pic, or the 'cream cheese' pun which should go in the design section).

OTHERS PLEASE BRING THEIR THOUGHTS IN PLEASE!!!!  Cigraphix 03:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit

Can someone copyedit this paragraph, or else remove it if it's unneeded? It's the final paragraph in the Abilities section:

Upon going under extreme stress and anger in Sonic X, Sonic transforms into "Dark Super Sonic", an ascended form of Sonic going out of control. Powered by hatred and anger, this form has all the abilities of Super Sonic, but in an evil way. Surprisingly, Sonic needs no Chaos Emeralds to do this (although he was surrounded by the Meterax's Artficial Emeralds, which may of being the fuel of Dark Super Sonic, combined with his anger). Dark Sonic is similar to Fleetway's Sonic the Comic's Super Sonic. The difference aside from being able to be Dark Super Sonic without Chaos Emeralds is that as Evil Super Sonic, Sonic has no control whatsoever. As Dark Super Sonic, he can control himself from destroying an ally or friend.

I'd do it myself, but I don't watch Sonic X, and so my edit might not be accurate. Thanks. Paul Haymon 22:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I've removed it entirely. There are many bits of the article that need condensing because they go into far too much detail about one particular aspect of the character, featured in only one of his appearances. (Dare I use the word fancruft?) The article should really focus on more general summaries and overviews. --Nick RTalk 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hydrophobia/Abilities

Hmm, I'm not sure what to do with these sections. Abilities mentions Sonic's fear of water, but hydrophobia isn't exactly what I'd call an "ability". However, the Hydrophobia section is not very well written, and seems a bit unencyclopedic, as well as out of place. I'd like to merge the two somehow, but I'm not sure how. Input? Thanks. Paul Haymon 22:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sonic DOESN'T fear water, he just can't swim. If he had hydrophobia, why do almost all first stages take place on the coastline. Sonic likes the ocean, acording to SEGA. Eriorguez 15:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, that's news to me, and beside the point. What about merging the sections? Paul Haymon 04:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
But wait a minute...he likes the ocean YET he can't swim...anyone hear the word IRONY being yelled out at this? Mialover730 08:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, yes I can. --Luigifan 11:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed the section entirely several days ago, but it has since been restored. So I've removed it again, for the same reasons as before: for a Wikipedia article, it goes into far too much detail about this one, extremely minor, aspect of the character. It really didn't help the article. It also wasn't very well-written: how many times must he have said "Water? Why does it have to be water?" in the cartoons in order for it to count as "usually"? :-) --Nick RTalk 19:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, thanks, and thanks for the other edit also. Paul Haymon 00:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed the "Destiny" section... AGAIN

It's pointless, and is simply there for people to submit their wacked out theories that contain huge amounts of speculation, stuff without basis that they just made up, and simple inaccuracies. -Chao9999 06:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's there to mention how Sonic has fulfilled various prophecies throughout the games (ex. Angel Island Mural, Iblis Trigger, Legendary Blue Hedgehog, etc.) I'm putting it back in. --Luigifan 14:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. Chao9999, please stop with this attitude of yours. You seem to think your POV on the story is the only correct one.--HellCat86 14:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, not hellcat again. The last time you criticized me Hellcat, I believe it was because I removed the part in this same section that stated that Sonic is the "destined controller of chaos". Back off with the pointless insults,and listen:

1. Almost everything stated in that section either doesn't contribute to the article, can be found somewhere else, or is speculation. 2. The thing CONTAINS speculation/fanon. 3. Only two prophecies/destinies have ever even been associated with him, the S3 mural and the Secret Rings book. That's hardly enough to actually constitute a sub-section. 4. Besides the two things listed above, the only other things seem completely pointless. The Sonic X one is simply "Cosmo was told Sonic pwns", and the Tikal one doesn't even have anything to do with fulfilling anything. Not only this, but it's breeding grounds for speculation, and "legend building", such as the aforementioned "controller of chaos" crap, or the fanon (if even) "Knuckles initially misread the mural" line. The section is pointless, and if you can find a good counterarguement to my above listed reasons, go ahead, but if not, don't put the section back in, I'll hide it for now. And seriously, Hellcat, what the crap? -Chao9999 06:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Pointless insults? Hardly. You're arrogant and that's a fact. Whilst I agree some of the more recent additions like the Sonic X part don't belong, most are accurate and not fanon. We have proof for them in game stories, manuals, etc. However, that doesn't seem to be good enough for you and you've shown that yet again by adding code to hide the section. Stop acting like you're the highest authority in the land. Wikipedia is supposed to be a collaboration, not one person making sweeping decisions.--HellCat86 16:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Wait, since when did the Sonic X prophecy simply amount to "Cosmo was told Sonic pwns"? Last I heard, Cosmo had come to Sonic's planet because of a "legendary blue hedgehog" prophecy, similar to the one in Sonic and the Secret Rings. --Luigifan 16:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Look, I don't know why you get on your high horse when someone says something is outdated, especially when it's a subsection that lists almost pointless info Hellcat, but stop. It's against the rules to insult someone, and it's out of wiki-ettiquette to have a subsection that lists info that is more than trivial, and simply ridiculous. That whole legendary blue hedgehog thing in Sonic X seems to have come out of their *****, seriously. "OMFG SEEK OUT A BLUE HOG THAT WE NEVER MET NOR HAVE REASON TO KNOW ABOUT". Plus, the one that talks about Chaos doesn't even have anything to actually do with fulfilling anything. "Tikal showed Sonic a picture of a baddie on it that was drawn by cave-rat-things". Woopty fricken doo. What's that have to do with fulfilling prophecies and destinies? Furthermore, when did Tikal say anything about stopping Chaos? "He must be sealed inside the Master Emerald NOW!" isn't "Sonic stop Chaos". Plus, the "Iblis Trigger" thing doesn't fullfill any prophecies, unless you blame Sonic for getting killed. The meaning behind the SA mural was never explained, nor was the Sonic 3 mural or the Secret Rings legend. Even though the latter two seem to be the only "fullfillments" worth mentioning, the fact that there are ONLY two, and they are completely pointless to list (at least there) seems to completely void any usefullness of such a subsection. If Sonic fullfills a prophecy, he did it in a game, so leave it there. Don't make a subsection that doesn't mean squat. The Links from LoZ fullfill a prophecies like, all the time. Heck, even the original Final Fantasy's plot revolved around solving a prophecy, so don't make a special subsection that gives special recognition for TWO (OMG MOR TAN WUN) prophecies Sonic has fulfilled, especially when they are so pointless. If you want characters fullfilling prophecies, play the Legacy of Kain series. Also, randomly labelling me as someone who believes myself to be the highest authority for no reason and firing off even more insignificant and rude insults like a machine gun isn't exactly helping your credibility Hellcat. Lay off the insults, lay off the crap and focus on the actual article and not how much you hate someone just because they challenge your opinion. -Chao9999 05:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I do? The only other time I've really clashed with you was over the issue of Black Doom as Shadow's biological parent which because Black Doom never flat out said "Shadow, I'm ya daddy!" you refused to accept. I don't really see what that or this has to do with being outdated. Fact is, there is alot of cases in recent games where Sonic's actions are part of some legend or prophecy and that's why the section was started. It wasn't just put there because fans said "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if Sonic was some great foretold hero?", it's there because it's actual relevant information pertaining to the character which the game points out. I'm sorry, but as far as I can see the problem here is that you don't like this now often occuring angle and thus the article shouldn't be highlighting it.--HellCat86 15:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Ryan Drummond 2007-present" in cartoons?

I'm not sure if this is true or not, but somebody put in the voice actors part, under the subheading "cartoons" Ryan Drummond 2007-present. I did not know Ryan Drummond (Sonic's old voice actor) provides Sonic's voice in a new cartoon. This may just be a mistake, can someone please clarify this so we know weather to delete it or not? - some guy April 6 10:58 am

No. There is no way that wanna be Sonic voice actor will ever voice in the Sonic X anime. It was just some Drummond Fanboy. I'll revert it if not before.

It was me, and I'm not a Drummond fanboy. I was actually making a revert to the page because I felt that it had been vandalized (I think I was re-inserting the "Prophecies and Destiny" section), and I must simply have failed to notice any other changes to the article in the meantime. In other words, I reverted the page without checking what the **** I was actually doing, and the result was the accidential insertion of Drummond fancruft. My bad. --Luigifan 16:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
For the record, I've never been able to notice any significant changes between Sonic voiced by Ryan Drummond and Sonic voiced by Jason Griffith. --Luigifan 16:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The only difference I ever noticed was that Sonic's personality seems a bit more like his bios make him out to be. -Chao9999 05:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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