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[edit] Robotnik vs. Eggman
Please people can we sort this once and for all? Stop editing Sonic articles and writing Eggman in place of Robotnik. Robotnik is the name by which Eggman was introduced to American and European audiences so that's the name we use on this Wikipedia. Eggman is exclusive to Japan, at least up until Sonic Adventure was released. --Steerpike 19:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
But in Sonic Adventure 2 and newer, he is referred to as Eggman almost as often as Tails is called Tails. 68.190.167.252 23:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes but at the time of the realease of "Sonic the Hedgehog", he was referred to as Robotnik. Therefore, I believe that the article should refer to Robotnik and Robotnik alone, or maybe make only a passing reference to the fact that he was Eggman in Japan and it later became his "nickname" in the US. 168.11.48.175 11:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC) Hobblededee, hobbledehoy
I also agree that references to "Eggman" should be removed as Robotnik was the only name ever used in the English version (and this is the English Wiki). The use of "Eggman" in English versions first appeared in Sonic Adventures (not in Sonic 2) also I seem to remember the Eggman in Sonic Adventures NOT being the Dr. Robotnik from the first game but a different person all together.
... They are one and the same (You must be thinking of Gerald Robotnik). It's irrevelent that it's the English version. The name is almost retconned now besides the fact that it's his surname. Besides, it was shown only in the manuals. The games themselves showed "Eggman", starting from Sonic 2 Genesis.
I think it should be Robotnik, becuase that is what he was called in the tv shows, and I believe that is what he was called in the video games. He is called Eggman in the newer dreamcast and later games, but in the genesis era, he was refered to robotnik. Oneupthextraman 01:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC) They are both the same namesake
[edit] Sonic "The" Hedgehog
All occurences of "Sonic the Hedgehog" replaced with "Sonic The Hedgehog". Apperantly the "T" in Sonic The Hedgehog is capitalized. It was even registred as Sonic's Middlename by Al Nilsen, Sega's Marketing Guy.
Source: Kent, Steven L.: The Ultimate History of Video Games. From Ponk to Pokémon and Beyond - The Story Behind the Craze That Touched Our Lives and Changed the World. Prima Publishing, Roseville (2001), p. 428.
- I don't think "The" should be capitalized. I mean, really, who capitalizes "The" if it's not the start of a sentence/phrase? I certainly don't. --Shadow Hog 15:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- Did you read my reasoning? It's not a "the" in the sense of a definite article but rather in the sense of Sonic's middlename, as it was apparently meant to be by Sega, since, as I wrote, they registred it as his middle name specifically with the The capitalized, and could only register it becauase that is not common and therefore differentiates it from a "the" as a definite article. I mean, really, who does not capitalize middlenames? I certainly do. ;)
- Al Nilsen isn't the definitive source on this, though. Sega themselves are, and they never use it as a middle name. I understand you know what you're talking about, but hardly anyone I know would probably agree that "The" is a valid middle name; that's utterly silly. I think it should be moved back and left as it was. --Shadow Hog 19:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- But Sega themselves are still writing the "The" capitalized, e.g. here: http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php?game=sonicmegaplus&id=hp_pldwnlst - and I guess Al Nilsen was the definitive source at the time the decision was made because he was speaking for Sega. Why should the Wikipedia entries not follow what has been established by Sega (or someone representing them) and more important is still being used like it today. Even if it is not communicated as Sonic's Middlename (anymore) it apparently is (as it was registered as such and the "The" is still capitalized in Sega's publications). Probably the fact itself should be included in the Wikipedia article.
- Al Nilsen isn't the definitive source on this, though. Sega themselves are, and they never use it as a middle name. I understand you know what you're talking about, but hardly anyone I know would probably agree that "The" is a valid middle name; that's utterly silly. I think it should be moved back and left as it was. --Shadow Hog 19:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- Did you read my reasoning? It's not a "the" in the sense of a definite article but rather in the sense of Sonic's middlename, as it was apparently meant to be by Sega, since, as I wrote, they registred it as his middle name specifically with the The capitalized, and could only register it becauase that is not common and therefore differentiates it from a "the" as a definite article. I mean, really, who does not capitalize middlenames? I certainly do. ;)
- Regardless of whether the character is called Sonic The Hedgehog or not (he's not), the "the" in the game's title shouldn't be capitalised - it's just convention for titles (see Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones for just one example) and it simply looks wrong compared to the way magazines, comics and books have been doing it for years. On the other hand, there are some idiosyncratic exceptions, so maybe Sega's official statements take priority, no matter how bizarre they seem. :( --Nick R 16:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
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- The only problem with that idea is that the title of the game is supposed to be the same as Sonic's full name. Seeing that his middle name is "The", it should be capitalized.
I'd just like to point out this Master System cartridge which capitalises "The". It should be capitalised, simply because it's correct. - LeonWhite 07:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
The characters name is officially Sonic The Hedgehog, so it irritates me that all these articles incorrectly spelled it with a small "t". That's like saying the Jerry Lee Lewis article should be spelled "Jerry lee Lewis". TJ Spyke 00:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC) of course ANY TRADEMARK oughta be capitalized
[edit] Move
Somebody moved this article to Sonic The Hedgehog (Genesis), despite the above discussion, so I have moved it back again. The 'T' should not be capitalised for the sole reason that most people do not think that it should be. -- Supermorff 20:37, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what "most" people think it should be. Officially it is "Sonic The Hedgehog" with a capital T. People who think otherwise are wrong. TJ Spyke 00:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blast processing
I'm removing the bit about "blast processing" - I believe the term was used to promote Sonic the Hedgehog 2, not the first Sonic game. [1] --Jtalledo (talk) 16:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Box art changed?
Any particular reason why this was changed? Original picture was larger and of higher quality in my opinion. --Steerpike 17:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anyone think this page is ready for a peer review/featured article?
I think this article is really good. If I weren't so lazy I'd probably nominate it for fa or at least to a peer review, I really think it's ready.
[edit] Art Deco
Would the graphics in this game be considered Art Deco? --Richy 23:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see how. Why would they? Ace of Sevens 04:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I found...
...an odd ROM of this game for the SNES. Cheack it out.
- Nothing new really, that's probably the hack of Speedy Gonzales for the SNES. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Interesting,once I did play Speedy Gonzales (SNES) and that game is just pointless to me.
[edit] Some clean up warranted
The level section needs to be trimmed drastically. Nobody is interested in reading about what happens in which act of level X. This has gone well past encyclopedic value. The "Secrets" section confuses me. Is it a section about secrets or about the Beta version? If so, re-arrange the beta version under "Versions" and remove "Secrets" altogether. --Steerpike 19:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sonic 1 beta page
Hey guys. I made a sonic 1 beta page. Find it here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_1_beta —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philip1992 (talk • contribs).
It's unnecessary... just include the information on Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit)-- SonicAD (talk) 19:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Will you redirect this thing to this page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sonic_1_beta
Is it posseble to make it redirect here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philip1992 (talk • contribs).
Done. For future reference, instructions on making redirects are at WP:R-- SonicAD (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge from Sonic Gaiden
[edit] Sonic the Hedgehog GBA
I've searched for a page on the newly-announced GBA game. Should we create one? It's basically just the Sonic Jam version as far as we know.
- I don't think we should create a page until it's clear what the game is. Chances are it's not really a new game and the info should just go on this page. Ace of Sevens 18:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think they will make a whole Sonic remake series, just like with Mario. :D --Kuroki Mio 2006 04:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah read this: http://uk.gameboy.ign.com/ and cilck on sonic 15th.--Philip1992 16:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)philip1992
- According to NP, it will be an enhanced remake with better graphics, a save feature, and it willl add the spin dash attack introduced in later games. Qualifies for a different article to me. Bly1993 00:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Found a page on it. Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis. I did some major edits to it. Bly1993 02:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know my friend and his brother have a bazzilion gameboys,plus I got one at TARGET and he has a Sonic The Hedgehog GBA game made in 2000-2001 I think also one of my friends has one (They both have ones with chao gardens)they also own lots more Sonic games , so do I.
[edit] Most famous cheat?
I have a hard time believing that the level-select code in this game is the most famous cheat in video game history; I believe that honor goes to the Konami Code, which inspired a t-shirt and has its own wikipedia article. Anyone disagree before I change it? -Unknownwarrior33 02:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- If it's not the Konami code, it's one of the Doom codes. Definitely not anything from Sonic. Ace of Sevens 16:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dr. Robotnik
Why is Dr. Robotnik sometimes called "Eggman"?
Dr. Eggman was Ivo Robotnik's Japanese name (which, actually, came out later). In some games, either name would occasionally subtly slip out (such as Sonic 2 Genesis' Wing Fortress Zone with "EGGMAN" written, Sonic Triple Trouble with "Robotnik Winter Zone", the Sonic Drift games with "Eggman" in each, and Sonic Jam using both names such as Robotnik in his profile and Eggman in his statue and most other places). Then, in Sonic the Fighters, a big thing happened: BOTH names were used in all versions! He is accidentally referred to as "Robotonic" in the intro, though, but the boss battle calls him Dr. Eggman. In the game's files, though, he is identified as "Dr. Eggman: Robotnik". Since the game is relatively obscure as an arcade game, it wasn't picked up until Sonic Adventure. In the Japanese version, he is still Dr. Eggman, and he wishes to build Eggmanland as the ultimate city. However, in the English / Other versions, he usually calls himself Dr. Robotnik, while almost everyone else except Gamma and some of the NPCs usually call him Eggman, and he wishes to build Robotnikland. Flash forward to Sonic Adventure 2. Eggman has found a diary from his grandfather, Professor Gerald Robotnik. Shadow has memories of Professor Gerald's granddaughter, Maria Robotnik. To top it all off, the infamous laser blasting FMV about halfway throught the game shows the words "Robotnik Empire" behind Eggman. Yet, he calls himself Eggman, and calls it the Eggman Empire. He is hardly ever called Robotnik in this game, probably because there would have been confusion with three Robotnik characters running around. This is exactly how the Japanese version goes, too, with Robotnik being his surname once again. So Eggman is a nickname, since it is established that his full name is Ivo Robotnik (Ivo, by the way, means "egg" backwards). Alternatively, his name could also be Dr. Eggman Robotnik, though this is unlikely as Eggman is used in the nickname sense most of the time. And the rest is history. It's sort of reminiscent of the change from Princess Toadstool to Princess Peach in the Mario Bros. series.
[edit] Who keeps deleting the Cheats entry for this article?
Well? I'm trying to contribute to Wikipedia aswell and you're not eactly letting me by deleting my contribution.. :(—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iceferno (talk • contribs) 19:31, November 25, 2006.
- I think it's being deleted because it's not really encyclopedic, check out WP:NOT and it'll say "While Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instructions or advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s" and the cheats definitely fall under how-to's. Sonic3KMaster(talk) 20:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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- What Sonic3KMaster said. The page is not supposed to be a walkthrough. The cheats mentioned in some of the other Sonic articles are only relevant because they're named in connection with the release date and nothing else. --Steerpike 00:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I disagree it's not like anyone has been harmed by a cheat or tip on wikipedia.
[edit] Sounds playing on top of each other?
Just wondering what this means, if the sounds mentioned here is played simultaniously or become "broken" if too many sounds play at the same time (the latter confirmed by listening closely to the Green Hill Zone soundtrack while intentionally making a bunch of sounds play...) Paladin of Righteousness 22:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC) I own 2 authorized versions of vintage Sonic collections for Nintendo Gamecube,and sometimes that's normal for old games to do crazy stuff like that,my NES gets broken too.
[edit] Hacks
I don't think that section belongs here. It's clearly advertisement. Is there any reason it shouldn't be deleted?--Iamstillhiro1112 09:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Some it needs to stay, but I've eaten a large chunk of it so that it doesn't apply so much to one specific hack (except KiS1, which is pretty important). -- RattleMan 19:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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- That Knuckles one is really the only one I find worthy of staying. Because it's kinda doing something Sega had attempted but hadn't been able to do. It's like an unofficial, official patch for Sonic and Knuckles. The rest of the hacks mentioning adding various Sonic characters need to go. If it keeps up eventually someone is gonna list a hack that includes Shade, the fan made brother of sonic.--Iamstillhiro1112 01:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Release Date
Get this right: The game was released in America on June 21, 1991. Not June 23. (J miester25 20:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Cheescake vandal
User 212.69.54.254 is vandalizing articles. Might wanna keep an eye out for his contribuitions.--Iamstillhiro1112 12:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The article appears to have been sprotected now, but there's still one reference to 'cake' someone should remove:
"The gameplay centered around cake elements that exploited the increased performance of the 16-bit console." 216.221.97.94 04:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Done. --32X 09:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Knuckles The Echinda in Sonic the Hedgehog
Even though I realise that this is not a message board, does anyone know a link to get the hacked version of "Knuckles The Echinda in Sonic the Hedgehog". If anyone does, I suggest putting it in the external links section of this article.
- It wouldn't be that clever because Sonic 1 is still copyrighted. You might want to search for "s1k.zip" at your favourite p2p source. --32X 20:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've found the link to it. It's at [2]. Unzip the file, and open it with a Mega Drive/Genesis emulator.
[edit] Trivia Section
Looked at some of the things that need to be done in this article, and many of the trivia section's points could be merged into the main article, seeing that all of them prove valid points to the game. Anyone disagree?
And yes, I know to Be Bold, but, I want to see what the community says first. Tails0600 03:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
