Talk:Somerset
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Somerset was a good article candidate, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. Once the objections listed below are addressed, the article can be renominated. You may also seek a review of the decision if you feel there was a mistake.
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[edit] A couple of comments
This is a very good article. When I put Buckinghamshire through FAC at the beginning of the year (it was the featured article on wikipedia on May 19 2004) one of the comments that was made was that the list of places took away from the prose of the article - that it would be better if the prose was longer than the list, rather than the other way around. So I created List of places in Buckinghamshire (which I'm proud to say is now complete!), kept the towns in the article and left the rest of the places to the list. The consensus was that this was a more acceptable article style than grouping everything together in the one article.
I have created List of places in Somerset (I did it before I saw that you had a complete list here) and I feel it'll make the article more readable and expandable if the list was there, rather than here.
Second comment: I'm pretty sure having a population over 3,000 does not automatically turn a place into a town. If this were the case most of the places in the (somewhat overpopulated) South East of England would be classed as towns, which they're not. I believe (though it'll take me a trip to the local record office to have it confirmed) that the archaic system of requiring royal charter to hold either a market or fair is still the official system for defining a town in the UK.
Other than that, well done with the article. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 18:42, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Yeah, 3,000 was a arbitrary figure I've used on Somerset, Dorset and Devon as a way of indicating settlements of a significant size; perhaps the word should have been "settlements" not "towns". (Geographers tend to use 2,500 as their arbitrary figure, but I found this to be a bit inclusive) Joe D (t) 19:32, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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- Wendover in Bucks has a population of about 10,000, and I still get browsers informaing me that it's a village... It's not by the way because it has royal charter.
[edit] History of the name of Somerset
Isn't Somerset named after the town of Somerton just like Dorset is named after Dorchester? This article says it's named after the 'summer people'.
- Presumably the town and the county are both named after the summer people. The "set" in Dorset (and probably Somerset) is "saete", meaning the dwellers of. Joe D (t) 13:50, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Zummerzet?
I am from Somerset and have never heard anyone pronounce it Zummerzet. I would be happy to remove this and replace it with a better phonetic attempt to describe how the local dialect handles the pronounciation. Is this okay? Lee, Somerset, UK.
I am also from Somerset and back-up this comment, Zummerzet is a stereotypical pronunciation, and is not that accurate.
Lemmy Kilmister 11:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] GA nom
Whoever nominated this seems to have forgotten to put the GA nom template here ... I just rectified that.
Anyway, I have also put the nomination on hold for the usual week pending a couple of issues that could be taken care of in, perhaps, an afternoon.
- Consistent use of the same system of measure. This is one of my biggest bugbears. I cannot stress enough how ridiculous it looks to be jumping back and forth between metric and English units like an episode of the original Star Trek.
The geology section is a horrible offender in this regard. First, "198 km² of the central and western Mendip Hills was designated an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty in 1972." Okay, it may be a British article but we've decided to use metric. Fine. But then, a sentence later, the Somerset Levels "stretch ... up to 20 miles inland ... only a few feet above sea level." So we're not using metric, then. Finally, the highest point in Somerset is "Dunkery Beacon on Exmoor, with an altitude of 519 metres (1704 feet)". Looks like we're using both ... as we should have all along.
- That section also ends with "Over 100 sites within Somerset have been designated as Sites of Special Scientific Interest which can be browsed on this list." The last clause needs to go as it's self-referential (cf. that page "To ease reusability, never allow the text of an article to assume that the reader is viewing it at Wikipedia, and try to avoid even assuming that the reader is viewing the article at a website.")
- "The first known use of the name Somersæte was in 845 after the region fell to the Saxons". In a section rife with footnoted sources, this is curiously uncited. I would think something this important should be.
- I would suggest a gallery section for the images along the side of Settlements.
That's all. See what you can do. Daniel Case 03:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
- It has been a week since I put this article on hold and none of the above changes have been made. Thus it fails. When they are made, feel free to renominate. Daniel Case 20:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image
This is probably a more general issue than just Somerset, but can't there at least be a rough sketching-in of Wales and Scotland (at partial opacity)? It looks really weird as it is. Adam Cuerden talk 14:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
