Talk:Socialism in One Country

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Why isn't this article at Socialism in one country with Socialism in One Country a redirect to it? --Robert Merkel 00:31 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I agree. I attempted to move it, but the lower case name is already there, directed to the upper case version. I propose deleting the lower case version, then moving the upper case to the lower case. RickK | Talk 05:02, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Fixed. Mikkalai 05:07, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
       I put Stalin's picture simply because it makes the article look better.--RainyDayCrow 02:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

from Stalin's О НЕКОТОРЫХ ВОПРОСАХ ИСТОРИИ БОЛЬШЕВИЗМА


Кто дал контрреволюционной буржуазии духовное, идеологическое оружие против большевизма в виде тезиса о невозможности построения социализма в нашей стране, в виде тезиса о неизбежности перерождения большевиков и т. п.? Это оружие дал ей троцкизм. Нельзя считать случайностью тот факт, что все антисоветские группировки в СССР в своих попытках обосновать неизбежность борьбы с Советской властью ссылались на известный тезис троцкизма о невозможности построения социализма в нашей стране, о неизбежности перерождения Советской власти, о вероятности возврата к капитализму.

Lenin (1905): "от революции демократической мы сейчас асе начнём переходить и как раз в меру нашей силы, силы сознательного и организованного пролетариата, начнём переходить к социалистической революции", "мы стоим за непрерывную революцию"

Can someone put in the article WHY stalin believed socialism was possible in one country and why Lenin didn't believe it, or even Trotskys reasoning? The article is essentially useless without it.

[edit] Bukharin's proirity

..though it was actually developed by Bukharin

Stalin's publications on the issue dated at least by 1924. What are Bukharin's? Mikkalai 23:25, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suspected Original Research or Opinion Requiring Attribution

The current text reads:

Mensheviks and Trotsky had also come to the conclusion that Socialism in One Country would be impossible at any level, but the latter based their idea on Trotsky's theory of Permanent Revolution, which was disputed by Lenin as potentially reactionary because it appeared to discourage building socialism in the USSR at all, given that the hoped-for communist revolutions in more advanced countries like Germany and France had not been carried through."

This statement includes a claim regarding the cause of Trotsky's (and others) rejection of the theory of Socialism in One Country. The claim is that the rejection of Socialism in One Country is based upon the theory of Permanent Revolution. That is certainly a reasonable POV. However, another reasonable POV is that Socialism in One Country was rejected by the majority of Bolsheviks (prior to Stalin's assumption of power) based upon more general principles of Marxism. Who deduced the alleged causal relationship? If the editor has made the deduction, then it is original research and should be removed.

I will wait for 48 hours to allow editors time to provide verifiable sources that Trotsky's rejection of Socialism in One Country is based upon the Theory of Permanent Revolution, rather than upon more general theoretical considerations. If an editor needs more time to find such a verifiable source, they should make a request here. If no verifiable sources or requests for more time are made within 48 hours, I will delete the references to Permanent Revolution, both in the text in question, and in the subsequent text related to Lenin's writings against Trotsky. --BostonMA 16:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Isn't "socialism in one country" the true national-socialist ideology, and not the Hitlerian hypocrisy? Darth Sidious 04:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Darth - be careful not to confuse the nation with the state or geographic boundaries

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